To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

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It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

Have you ever heard of Gary Glitter ilikemilk

Newspapers do have a political agenda.

People are allowed to say what they want. Indeed they do, as you have. I'm also allowed to say what I want to say, as I have.

Not sure I understand the thrust of this argument.

DameShirley, the Nanny state went too far. That all I want to say on the metter. Probably will stay away from Mumsnet for a while, as to be honest it is a real culture shock, never seen so many adults swearing or being rude to others just because they dont like your opinion. They should be living in some kind of enclove or something and never get out during the day, as I never met them in real life.

GooseFat, I only read about him in newspapers, seen him on tv and heard about him on the radio. So it must all be lies then. He probably does not even exist.

I should be living in an enclove?

You were pretty up there in being rude to others yourself, sweetheart, so I'd stop with the piety if I were you.

• OP slags off people who 'play the system'.

• OP gets absolutely flamed for being a benefits claimaint hater.

• A few people dare to agree that people shouldn't play the system.

• We all get flamed for hating benefits claimaints.

• The point is made that a middle ground surely exists? The vast majority of people who claim are not 'playing the system'. But...there are those that do.

• We all get flamed for hating benefit claimaints.

And so it goes on. And on. And on.

What's the difference between you feeling flamed as a benefit hater, and another feeling flamed as a feckless scrubber?

It makes me laugh really. I thought right wingers had a bit more grit than this.

But that's the point Dame!!!!!!!!!! OP wasn't calling all benefits claimants feckless scrubbers. Why is this fact ignored time and time and time again?

Just got back to this...
Well said DameShirley.

cupcakebakerer - because some posters on here loathe their lives, hate the fact that their previous (feckless) behaviour has landed them in this state (just getting by on f*ck all each week) and don't like being reminded of the fact.

Hence the massively defensive tone.

Oh right!

i dont loath my life and my previous feckless behaviour (because we are all capable of being feckless when we are young unless we have poles up our arses) didnt land me in a state

but i will defend myself against any eejit who makes sweaping generalisations about single mothers or people they know fuck all about (stems out of jealously imo)

Whilst I disagree with sweeping gernalisations, my cousin was advised by her mother to have a baby and not live with the father so that she should get a council house and benefits

Thankfully, the undeserving are in the minority I think.

VinegarTits - thank you for helping to prove my point.

And again, the accusation is thrown around that those disagreeing are on benefits.

It's just so silly and ner ner ner ner ner isn't it?

I note there are still no answers as to what should be done with the "underclass" (apart from eating them)

I've only read up to page two as I get so sick of hearing the same crap over and over.

but a few points for the OP to understand from me, I was brought up on a council estate, I never got sent to school, wasn't brave enough to get a boyfriend until I was 25, spent my teenage years - early 20s drunk in a gutter leading to a few hospital trips, I've been OCD, suicidal and self harming in the past. I've all so spent 11 years on the dole before ending up in a low paid job that didn't even pay enough to rent a tent.

The thing that strikes me about the Jeremy Vile show (other then the fact he is an evil self righteous bastard) is the fact all the people he has on are clearly depressed or suffer from other things such as low self esteem, the thing all my dole mates had in common was pretty much the same, a lack of motivation, feeling of self worth etc.

Shouting at people pigeon holing them as feckless, calling them useless scum underclass, telling them to snap out of it, get off their arse and get a job and in the case of the job centre sending them on courses where loud mouthed arrogant self righteous middle class cows shout at them and patronise them like children (in some cases scare them) does not help anybody, it just makes things worse, leading them to pushed into awful burger flipper jobs that cement the view that there is no point in trying because they get treated like crap and the pay is so low they still need benefits.

So you can add your little get outs of your generalisations as much as you like the damage is done, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem and you OP are clearly part of the problem.

it's no coincidence IMHO that all this started when it became unacceptable to be racist, the bigots needed a new hate figure so the hard working salt of the earth became the scum of the earth, and as such are living up to there name as whats the point in trying you will get judged and insulted no matter what you do.

did i help prove a point? oh clever me err hang on no i cant be clever, im a feckless scrubber of a single mother

i guess i should hand over my well paid job/car/house to someone less feckless and sign on?

I'll eat you VT...I'd eat you with a spoon you're so delicious.

V good post there from Ryoko

DameShirleyKnot and Ryoko - if you're filling a bucket and it has a hole in it, turn the tap off before fixing the hole.

With regard to the underclass - we should look to remove those incentives that encourage people to belong there. By this I mean, we should stop paying CB to new parents (not existing ones, just new ones). This will force people to accept that they are not going to get help just because they have children.

This will also remove the incentive for young men to impregnate as many women as they wish, currently safe in the knowledge that someone else (i.e. the taxpayer) will pick up the tab for them.

We should stop penalising people for living together - currently a single woman will receive more money if she is on her own than if she has her boyfriend living with her...this encourages breakdown of relationships.

We should encourage families to support one another in the way they used to, as opposed to expecting the State to stand in instead. This means people turning to parents, siblings, extended family for help before the benefits office.

There should be focussed action on removing key individuals from sink estates and teaching, training, educating, nurturing them to be leaders...to then return whence they came and identify those people who will also benefit from positive action.

We should re-introduce the concept of shame - getting pregnant when unable to provide for said baby is morally wrong, for it indicates a level of irresponsibility and selfishness that should rule one out of being a parent. It is a form of abuse.

It boils down to people remembering that the welfare state was designed to help people like Riven and people that need temporary help when they fall on hard times. It was not designed as a lifestyle choice. I look forward to the day when people realise this.

For fuck's sake.

What surprises me so much about the OP is the arrogance of assuming she has the knowledge to make such sweeping generalisations about people she clearly knows very little about.
It is no accident her post sounds like a DM or Sun rant - her comments so clearly stem from second-hand myths that circulate in our culture.
The underclass scrubbers who 'choose' to have babies at 16 are often those very people who are 'vulnerable' that she identifies in her last paragraph. Young women whose education and upbringing have been inadequate to say the least. Whose families are so dysfunctional and chaotic that they are very immature for their age, have very low self-esteem and often live in areas of the country where there are genuinely very few opportunities.
OP what really strikes me is the sorry lack of intelligence and awareness that your post reveals. Go and do some voluntary work that involves these 'feckless underclass girls' and then come here with something worthwhile to say on this subject.

maybe we should also force these feckless scrubbers to have abortions too?

most your suggestions are outdated at the very least, ignorant at the most

VinegarTits - not force, perhaps pay?

you can't pay people to have abortions, nobody could live with that.