To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

[rezbites]

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

Don't be absurd, SGB- I went to school with someone who got a job.

So therefore there are jobs for everyone.

Tsk.

Blah blah stuffing. So how does people survive in other countries (most actually) that dont have this stupid system? And I think it is you who got an "odd brain disease" if you cannot even get a decent job and education. Only excuses.

No, I think you care very little about anything really.

Child prostitution and child labour are rife in countries with no welfare system.

Go on then Rollmops, I'll share my recipe:

Take two feckless scrubbers (medium)- put them to one side to rest.

Meanwhile, in a bowl, rub together:

1 tbsp arsenic
100g broken glass
1/2 cup of AIDS
Pinch of salt
150g lard

Until the mixture resembles fine breadcrumbs. Bring together with water and eat straight from the bowl.

Unorthodox method (have altered Delia's original quantities), but trust me, it works a treat.

Promise me you'll try it

Oh really GooseFat? I spent a few years living in Cyprus, Israel, and some othe places due to my job, and never seen child labour or prostitution over there.

Ah now, ILikeMilk, that is just being disingenuous. Of course there are jobs in this country. The point is that there are far fewer available jobs, ie ones that are not already being done by somebody, than there are unemployed people of working age.

I find the current policy of encouraging people to stay on at work later and later in life, whilst discouraging school-leavers from going on to further education, quite counter-intuitive. Someone who would once have retired at 65 but is now going to work until 75 is hogging a job that would keep me, in my early 50s, off the streets until I retired in my turn. Meanwhile I'd be paying the taxes that would pay for his/her pension, instead of him/her paying the taxes that pay for my unemployment benefits. (Or the ones I will have when my savings run out, to be more accurate.) I accept that pensions may well be more expensive than jobseekers allowance, although surely cheaper to administer (?), but isn't there a tiny bit of economic as well as social sense in it?

"And when benefit claimants refuse particular jobs because taking those jobs would mean they lose a considerable amount of money, why blame them for making a sensible economic decision."

What about self-respect? Passing on the right message to your children?

But you do agree Annie, that some people will get sleepless nights over a lost job, will apply for million others (I was made redundant once, I know) while others will just make more excuses not to work. I dont work right now because I dont want to. If I decided to get a job I am sure I could find one.

And yet again, that accusation that those who defend thos on benefits, and are uncomfortable with them being called "feckless scrubbers" must be either

a) out of work
b) claiming benefits
c) Feckless scrubbers.

Just FYI ILikeMilk, your bragging about how much money you have got on this thread has been breathtaking. For all you know, I could be a millionaire. A few times over.

When you speak of these other countries without welfare systems, I presume you're talking about places like India? Because most countries do have a welfare system, it's called being humane.

Fekless scrubbers are very good at one thing - finding excuses. Not cooking, obviously. Try harder, dahlin'... [yaawn]

I was not saying the countries without welfare, I was saying countries with DIFFERENT structure of welfare.

I humbly submit that being able to feed and clothe your children has to come first. Not taking them on a nice sunny holiday, living in a suburban house with a garden, or having the latest iPhone, no. But actually being able to provide the necessities of life: absolutely. If your children will go shorter as well as seeing less of their parents, where on earth is the "self-respect" in that? There are other ways to define yourself than your job (and thank heavens for that, otherwise I'd have topped myself when I lost mine).

And where did I brag once about the money I got?

Shirley, take that back- ILikeMilk bragged about how much money her DH got.

Jesus, get it right.

Rollmops, are you calling saint Delia Smith a feckless scrubber?

And by the way, I went back to work when DS1 was just 8 weeks old. Because I was not in UK, I was in Cyprus, and you used to get 12 weeks maternity leave, I got most of the time off before giving birth due to difficult pregnancy. I did not have a choice. There are no council housing for feckless mothers in Cyprus. That is why there are no people that breed for benefits.

Thethersend, I did not brag, I just said he pays loads in tax, so yes, it does annoy me that some people take him for a ride so to speak

"Lifeinlimbo, DH forks over 100K in taxes to allow people like you feel sorry for themselves. So dont bite the hand that feeds you and all that."

Here we go ilikemilk.

Aw, look at that lovely thing you said. Isn't that a lovely, lovely thing to say to somebody?

Well DameShirley, people calling me stupid and saying I got a brain condition is hardly a nice thing to say (and I am not even repeating the sweare words). But maybe it just me being foreign, cultural differences, etc etc. I think people are also more PC in UK and are not allowed to say what they think.

ilikemilk I'm glad you have never seen child prostitution....

Well, it might be a myth as well Goose, as you are not supposed to believe what media says, it must be not true then.

See, and I really can't understand that whole "I'm paying my tax" bullshit either.

You should be fucking grateful that your DH pays 100k in tax, you should be overjoyed that you live that sort of "lifestyle choice"

Do you honestly believe that if they rounded up all the people (now, we get a bit sticky here, because it would have to be dealt with on a case to case basis of the people that YOU believe to be feckless, so you might have to put a couple of days judging them in here...still, you don't WOH so that shouldn't be a problem, right?) who don't deserve benefits and redistributed it among the "deserving poor" that your DH would pay less taxes?

Ha Ha Ha Ha.

1. Any funds "clawed back" by starving feckless families of governement money would not be "redistributed" to others. It would go on, I dunno, bombing the shit out of someone probably, or propping up the financial market, or maybe just on a subsuidy so the MP's can pay tuppence for a G&T

Can't be arsed