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To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

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rezbites · 20/01/2011 10:12

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

OP posts:
ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 20/01/2011 14:37

HULLY!!!

WHY did you make me look at that?

cobbledtogether · 20/01/2011 14:38

Oh for fucks sake. Of course YABVVVU.
Reading that OP made me feel as dirty as reading the letters page in the DM. Scrubbers, underclass, feckless, selfish, deadbeats? Hmm What about the men who got them pg, are they scrubbers too or is it just the 'feckless' girls you have a problem with?

You don't know all of those girls personally and have absolutely no bloody idea whatsoever about their background and their story and how they got to where they are and yet you can come out with that load of misogynistic crap. Do you know one, just one girl personally who got pg just to get a council house? Bloody unlikely as its just a myth perpetuated by the narrow minded so they can have a good whine.

What really annoys me though, is the suggestion is that one vulnerable section of society - as lets face it, young girls with young children are bloody vulnerable - are less deserving than another and that the solution to social support is to only give it to the "Deserving" vulnerable.

What the fuck do you expect a young single mum to do? Go "sorry, poppet, but mummy can't afford to feed you today because someone's decided she's not deserving enough for support."

Get a bloody grip

bupcakesandcunting · 20/01/2011 14:38

I'm off out to throw stones at the single mums outside the school now. That'll learn 'em.

TTFN losers Grin

Anniegetyourgun · 20/01/2011 14:38

It is an interesting fact (well it interests me, I'm not too bothered whether anyone else could care less) that the word "proletariat" was originally coined in ancient Rome from the Latin "proles", meaning offspring; it referred to a member of society so lowly that they had nothing to contribute but having children. So wha'd'ya know, it's not a new phenomenon. As far as I know they didn't even have a Welfare State in ancient Rome. They did have slavery though. Now there's a thought...

Loveitalia · 20/01/2011 14:40

This is ridiculous. There are people out there claiming benefits on purpose. You could say they don't know any different, but they know right from wrong. I feel sorry for them in the fact that they haven't had the upbringing or support to do different. I think it goes back 1 or 2 generations that has now created the young ones we are dealing with today. Some will have had a bad upbringing, lost family members,jobs etc and don't know how to get back or no-one to show them the way.
Instill the work ethic and good manners in your dc as much as you can, knowing you are trying to do your best because obviously a lot of our society have not been fortunate enough. Not all can/will turn themselves around but let's hope in time a lot do and they end up proud.

biancacbwantsaquietlife · 20/01/2011 14:41

op are you really Michael Howard?

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rezbites · 20/01/2011 14:42

*DameShirleyKnot Glad you enjoyed "winning" the debate today. Now please pull your top down before you catch a chill.

Got to go now - so we'll have to agree to disagree. Thank you all for your posts, both for and against my OP.

OP posts:
Anniegetyourgun · 20/01/2011 14:44

It is true actually, the people referred to in the OP do exist.

Both of them.

Anniegetyourgun · 20/01/2011 14:45

Damn, OP, answer my question, did you really go to a sink school?

Oh, he's gone. Or she. Possibly.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 20/01/2011 14:49

"There are people out there claiming benefits on purpose."

as opposed to the ones who fell into the benefits office by accident on their way to the tube and just filled in all the forms and hep presto they get benefits? Hmm

DameShirleyKnot · 20/01/2011 14:50

(I think it meant "porpoise" rather than "purpose". Those bloody benefit scroungers claiming money for non land mammals disgust me)

pascoe28 · 20/01/2011 14:50

Fine, ignore those that object to this way of doing things.

I for one have had enough of subsidising tossers that get girls pregnant and then bugger off.

You crack on and pay for them if you wish - I'm maximising my tax avoidance so the penalty of paying for the feckless no longer has to fall on my family so harshly.

DameShirleyKnot · 20/01/2011 14:51

Don't be such a silly billy pascoe.

VinegarTits · 20/01/2011 14:53

oh fuckoff OP

i only came in the grope Shirley

Hullygully · 20/01/2011 14:55
pagwatch · 20/01/2011 14:58

Pascoe I didn't ignore you, I responded to you.

I was asking what you thought was a good way to create aspiration amongst the impoverished.

I see you propose maximizing your tax avoidance but I am not sure how that helps. That will punish everyone including carers and pensioners.

Do you have anything that is...well.. Constructive.

I went to a sink school but at home I had parents who wanted to work and improve our lives through education.
I am not a heroic or particularly visionary person. I suspect that if my formative years had been spent with a parent who didn't work and grew layers of apathy and disinterest over the years I may have ended up seeing that as reasonable.
I think it takes a certain arrogance to believe that one would avoid the pitfalls that poverty, poor education and a pervading sense of hopelessness must create.

That is why I don't like name calling. I am not so sure it could not be me had my luck been different.

VinegarTits · 20/01/2011 14:59

i came in to grope, is what i mean, she has an amazing rack

cant type, its cos im a scrubber

RunawayFishWife · 20/01/2011 14:59

I have always said too many people take benefits as a life style choice (I know people in real live who do) and until we cut off the endless supply of free money to these social leaches then people who do genuinely need the help will not get it.

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 20/01/2011 15:00

BTW OP

not going to say much but you mention riv in your OP

IRRC she was raised very well by a single mum and went on to do post degree level study

just fyi

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 20/01/2011 15:02

runaway as with the DLA changes will conceal cuts

So they think it's either 5 or 0.5 % of people claiming DLA are frauds (how? did they ask?)

and they want to cut by 20%

go figure

AnnieOnAMapleLeaf · 20/01/2011 15:03

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

DameShirleyKnot · 20/01/2011 15:12

Look.

My partner has recently flat swapped with a couple with a baby. He works full time and was living in 2 bed flat which was costing over £800 / month. The couple lived across the road and had a one bed flat which is a couple of hundred pounds a month cheaper. DP was struggling a bit to get the rent together every month and the flat was a bit big really, for his needs and so they swapped (same landlord) This couple are takers in every sense of the word. They left the flat filthy, rank and disgusting. They pushed my partner's giving nature to the very limit during the move, insisting that he do all the heavy lifting of their stuff and using his van. DP didn't get as much as a thankyou. There was an argument about a fridge, this couple are a pair of TAKERS.

They're on benefits, both of them, and my partner can now look at them, living in a nice spacious flat, not working, while he works his nuts off and lives in a smaller and less "nice" flat.

I don't like them, I think they're bastards. Not because they're on benefits though, they're just wankers. And I wouldn't want their life for all the tea in China.

I don't then extrapolate that one single incidence into a hate filled diatribe about everyone getting benefits.

That just seems a bit thick to me.

Hullygully · 20/01/2011 15:14

If you're not on benefits, is it all right to be a wanker?

Does it count if you steal from people by not paying your tax? Or is that not theft?

DameShirleyKnot · 20/01/2011 15:16

No, not paying your full tax just makes you clever Hully. Clever and shaggable.

Loveitalia · 20/01/2011 15:16

You know what I meant iloveitwhenyoucallmeboo or maybe you didn't ! You all seem to have gone a little nuts over this and the language is bad. Lack of education, as my FIL use to say. Didn't think MN would allow this type of language Shock But that's for another day.