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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think that children shouldn't be screaming and running around in a library?

378 replies

PeeringIntoAFestiveVoid · 06/01/2011 21:32

I have a feeling I'm going to get toasted to a perfect 'well done' shade of brown here.... Grin

I went to the library with DD today, and as we came in, there was a woman with a pushchair standing at the desk. As I was returning our books (not at the desk) and browsing, there were two children running around, screaming and shouting - the younger boy looked about three, the older boy five or so. They seemed to be with the mum at the desk, as she occasionally ssshhhed them (of which they took no notice at all). There was an older boy who looked to be six or seven, who joined in with the shouting and running from time to time, but wasn't causing the same chaos as the littler ones. The toddler had an utterly ear piercing shriek (I really can't stand shrill noises, so I realise I'm less tolerant of this kind of thing than many people), which he was letting rip frequently and very very loudly. There was a bloke there who I presumed to be their dad, as he sometimes spoke to them and called them over, but they didn't pay any attention at all, and he didn't push it or try to moderate their behaviour.

I joined DD in the children's section, and the two boys were running in and out of that area (then across the library to mum at the desk again). They were fighting, very vociferously, over a bottled drink, a fair bit of which got spilled on the floor. Several books were also knocked onto the floor. A couple of other children were sitting on the covered seats/cushions, and were intimidated by them rolling around, shouting and fighting. I was feeling very Hmm and wondered why the staff didn't point out to the mum that this wasn't ok behaviour.

As we checked our books out, the toddler screamed very loudly right behind me. I said "God almighty" and turned round, and the mum was walking past me with all four children. She said "What?? He's only two". I said "They've been running around screaming and fighting for the last twenty minutes. This is a library". She said "I don't care" to which I replied "Clearly; if you cared about other people, you wouldn't let your kids run around screaming and fighting". The woman walked off to the children's section.

I thought about what had happened, and thought maybe I'm completely out of sync with what's acceptable in libraries these days. As I was leaving I went to the desk and said "I know libraries aren't the solemn, silent places of the seventies, and I'm really glad about that, but is that now acceptable behaviour for children in a library? Am I way off the mark on what is ok?". The librarian said that the woman was joining the library, and that she had four children who'd never been in the library before (one was a babe in pushchair, obviously), so they didn't say anything to her. She looked quite Hmm at me.

I can see her point, and am wondering whether I was BU to say what I did. But to me, wherever I was I wouldn't let my children run around fighting and emitting ear-splitting shrieks, let alone in a library. I know it's not a sacred sanctum, but a library is supposed to be someone where you can go for peace and quiet to enjoy books.

So AIBU?

OP posts:
swanandduck · 07/01/2011 11:19

YANBU. It is lovely that libraries are more relaxed and friendly places now than when I was a child and everyone had to whisper and got frowned at if their books were a couple of weeks overdue. However, that doesn't mean that anything goes. If both parents were there, one of them should have been controlling the kids while the other filled in the forms. Also, the mother didn't sound terribly apologetic when the OP made a comment. She just got all defensive about her kids.

bupcakesandcunting · 07/01/2011 11:19

Which beer? I am from Stourbridge and we have Bathams here, but I used to live in a town that used to have a big brewery by a park. Am I warm? Grin

Lizzywishes · 07/01/2011 11:28

I think that when your children start screaming in a way that clearly disturbs people, fighting and spilling drinks, then you pick them up and remove them. They must learn that different behaviour is appropriate for different places. That is more than liveliness or excitement. Two parents should be able to control three children.

JosieRosie · 07/01/2011 11:37

Bogeyface - security guards? IN A LIBRARY????

OP, just wanted to add my voice to the others who say you are most definitely NBU. Very brave of you to have challenged this mum. Interesting how many feathers you have ruffled on here - looks like you did get your flaming after all Wink

bupcakesandcunting · 07/01/2011 11:39

I can't see why she got flamed, really. She wasn't abusive about it, she just stated that she thought that their behaviour was inappropriate. Which it was. Hate this attitude that we must all rub along quietly and nicely and never speak up, regardless of whether it put nice people who can behave at a disadvantage. It sucks.

LetThereBeRock · 07/01/2011 11:46

YADNBU,but it seems that some think that the only appropriate response to anything a child does,from running,shrieking around a restaurant and barging into customers,to hitting one's own child,is to give a beatific smile at the little darling and their inconsiderate delightful parents.

earwicga · 07/01/2011 11:50

Ah, should of read all comments from OP before commenting myself. Glad you thought in retrospect you could of engaged with the kids. Although, obviously you were under no obligation to do this.

Odd behaviour from the supposed father. Maybe he wasn't?

BuzzLightBeer · 07/01/2011 11:52

you're not allowed to say anything to a mother in a library, its not like its asda or anything, she was probably wearing boden.

letthere, I do like a nice passive-aggressive sotto-voce to ones own children such as "no darling you have to sit down, only very naughty children run around an shout in the library" with a smile at the parents. Grin

bupcakesandcunting · 07/01/2011 11:53

Why should she have engaged with the kids ffs? They're not OP's responsibility. Parents of this ilk are the sort who take umbrage at another person trying to reason with their little darlings. The buck stops with the parent.

theevildead2 · 07/01/2011 11:58

YANBU, my only safe haven for a bit of quiet to do some homework growing up was the library.

Most libraries have a special time for babies and children to come in and be a bit noisy (with in reason) thats what that time is there for. Also my local library has a children's area seperatly from the adult section where you can expect there wil be some noise. Not all over the library!

JosieRosie · 07/01/2011 12:06

What bupcakes said

bupcakesandcunting · 07/01/2011 12:08

YES!!!

My first ever "what bupcakes said" I've wanted one for ages! Grin

JosieRosie · 07/01/2011 12:12
Grin
bupcakesandcunting · 07/01/2011 12:19
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swanandduck · 07/01/2011 12:20

Confused at people agreeing the OP should 'engage' with the children. She 'engaged' with the idiotic, inconsiderate parent and the staff member doing nothing about the situation, which was the right course of action in my view.

bupcakesandcunting · 07/01/2011 12:35

How exactly do you engage with two strange, unruly children anyway? I'd like to know, if anyone has any bright ideas?

narna · 07/01/2011 12:37

I would love to see how my local library staff would have reacted to this.
Its hilarious that they have a "family friendly" sticker in the window.

I go regularly with my friend and our DC and they have been shushed at before we have had chance to reprimand them ourselves.
The staff always come and tidy up around us even though always leave the place as we found it.

My children are lively little monkeys and have behaved like that before,they were straight out of the door with no books,they soon learned.

YANBU kids will be kids but they need to be taught that thats not appropriate behaviour for any indoor public place really ...

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/01/2011 12:38

did the OP really have to engage with the mother in such a snarky, "rip to shreds" kind of manner, though?

bupcakesandcunting · 07/01/2011 12:42

I don't think she "ripped to shreds", but that's just my opinion. She was direct, fair enough. I don't think she was overly rude or aggressive though.

Angeliz · 07/01/2011 12:43

Haven't read all replies but my take is that yaNbu.
I think there's a time and a place for everything and children need to be taught what is acceptable behaviour.

We had our 3 to Pizza Hut over Christmas. It's a lovely one next to a Cinema, so child friendly and relaxed.
There was a table of 3 Mums next to us with about 6 kids. Their children were screaming, pushing each other (DP got knocked 3 times) and ballet dancing in the aisles.
I'm all for kids relaxing and having fun, ( Otherwise i would not have gone to PIZZA HUT for lunch), i love kids and their exuberance but i really thought it was terrible of their Mums not to try to instil at least SOME level of how to behave in a restaurant!!
So in a library, no, definitely not unreasonable.

Ormirian · 07/01/2011 12:43

YANBU.

At all.

BlueberryPancake · 07/01/2011 12:46

Just to add my two cents, I went to library the other day and I was reading a book to my 3 year old, and the mums next to us (with very small babies) were chatting so loudly that I had to go in the adult section so that I could quietly read a book to my child without being disturbed by mums chatting as if they were in a pub. I didn't say anything to them but I gave them the 'eyes'. They are deadly.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/01/2011 12:46

yay, we are going for pizza tomorrow, and DD will yell and want to run around, everyone will be thinking we are terrible parents..!

charliesmommy · 07/01/2011 12:47

Some parents seem to think that "child friendly" means free licence to allow their offspring to run riot unchecked.

It doesnt.

If a place was described as "dog friendly", you wouldnt expect their owners to walk through the door, let their mutts off the lead, and then sit back while they annoy everyone else... and the same goes for children.. yes they are welcome, but surely a parent should know when running around and being noisy is appropriate or not.

Ormirian · 07/01/2011 12:51

Went to Bristol Museum on Tuesday. There was a family of screaming, quarrelling, fighting children. Every time we went to a different gallery. there they were. Was like being haunted by a troupe of bloody poltergeists Hmm I did my usual ignore-ignore-ignore while my blood pressure was creeping up. Eventually DS1 took the law into his own hands and told the little girl (very gently) to stop hitting her sister. She was so taken aback she did. I have no idea what the mother thought as she seemed to have disappeared again.

It didn't work for long though as we could hear the eldtrich shrieks echoing round the building as we left later.