To think it is wrong for a surrogate to have a child for two men?

[Extremelychocolatey]

The men in question are Elton John and David Furnish.

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It feels wrong on so many levels.

Why did you include two men in your thread title if its simply the concept of surrogacy which bothers you, extremelychocolatey? Why the link to this particular news item? Why not start a thread about surrogacy in general?

Looks like you're backpedalling like mad!!

So longing to see EJ with his baby. Wonder if they do BabyBjorn in diamante trim?

I hope they can get past their 'super-rich spoiled diva middle-aged men who're used to people pandering to their every whim' tendencies and put their baby's need for closeness and love first.

I still would never even consider posting such an OP so you'd have a hard time justifying it to me, tbh.

Wow.........maybe a new generation in the making of proper musicians!! Maybe, just maybe, Eltons great musical talent will be passed on!

The name's a bit of a mouthful!

Ahem (coughs loudly)

OP - can you stop being lazy and answer my question?

Why did you make the OP about two men, and link to that particular story, if you are now claiming that your issue is simply with surrogacy?

Haven't been aware of any other threads you've started in the past to discuss your moral objections to surrogacy...

In fact, with being, lazy and busy and irritated by OP's style of arguing (namely back-pedalling/'attack is the best form of defence') I'm off,and the OP can have a great big and a too.

so what is the cuff off point for childbirth?

oh yes, 63 or thereabouts?

"love is all that matters" if you really believe that then you're the one who is stupid.

Violet - if you had kept up with the thread you would see I have elaborated and considered my own views. As opposed to you who just keeps reiterating the same old tosh.

You haven't answered my question yet.

Why did you refer to surrogacy for two men, as opposed to surrogacy in general, in your OP?

If you object to surrogacy per se, then can you not see that your OP is, at best, ignorant, and at worst, homophobic?

For me, the bottom line is that this child is being denied its mother to satisfy the wishes of two selfish celebrities. So what if they're loaded?

OP, apart from your OP, you have made a paltry 6 fairly lack lustre comments. 6 comments out of 235 on the thread in almost 3 hours.

Your OP DID make a judgement on surrogacy for 2 gay men.

You are now back tracking. Saying if a woman is having a baby only to give it up, that's wrong.

If that was really your problem your AIBU would have been AIBU to believe Surrogacy is wrong.

Your OP did come across as homophobic, whether you intended that or not, the best course of action would be to apologise and back off.

Unless the dust up is the reason you came onto this thread in the first place???

Or to put it another way, as a teacher, if one of my pupils was arguing a case against surrogacy, and started it the way you did, OP, they'd get a low mark for piss-poor skills - on all sorts of levels.

So maybe you're just not very bright.

To be honest, if I was choosing parents for a motherless child, those two would not spring to mind first and foremost.

I think some people on this thread are so anxious to show how 'right on' they are, that they're not really thinking about the welfare of the child.

There are also lots of heterosexual celebrity couples that I don't think deserve surrogate babies as some kind of an accessory now that they have everything else they can think of.

Swan you put it well

''I think some people on this thread are so anxious to show how 'right on' they are, that they're not really thinking about the welfare of the child.''

Doobies - I think you have succinctly described my innermost feelings on this.

Actually, violet, I'm a primary school teacher so am at least as bright as you .

God help the children in your classes then.

Btw, I teach KS 4 and 5 - and you certainly can't get away with that poor level of writing skills by then

Do you harangue your pupils the way you're doing the OP Violethill. If so 'God help them'.

Quite, SwanandDuck. People can't see the wood for the trees sometimes.

Big extended permament family or family of choice surrounding couple concerned, regular bedtimes and meals and continuity of care, feeling part of more than just a tiny family unit, unconditional love ... tick.

Variable, unpredictable family or family of choice, erratic lifestyles, feeling uncertain about self-identity in relation to peers, love conditional on child's behaviour or achievements ... less of a tick.

Any decent fertility clinic or adoption organisation should be checking these things out IMO.

No, I just expect them to be able to put together a decent argument and say what they mean. Usually they manage it far better than the OP did. And that's at age 11.

Actually, their wedding was very private and tasteful. They didn't have a bit celebrity wedding, so I imagine it would be the same for the christening.

WE live in a world where money is king, you need it to live. Is it really so bad if a single mother of three is allowed to transform her life by being a surrogate? (not saying that that has happened here)

It's not the surrogate mother who's the main consideration, is it? It's the child.