to think women writhing around in suspenders and stockings is...

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...not really family viewing? I've barely watched x-factor in my life but I had thought everyone said that, for all its faults, it was something that had got families watching telly together. I was expecting wholesome boy bands and gutsy young girls. Clearly I'm naive and a prude.

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I like christina, I think she has "soul" and an amazing voice. My problem is with the performance and atire of backing dancers, on a family ITV show at 8.30

it (costumes and coreography) should have either been toned down or shown later.

Well - lots of people gyrate when they dance. And lots of people wear scanty clothes ( and that's in normal life not just pop stars)

So is it the combination of being scantily clad and gyrating? I'm trying to get my head around why you are all so shocked?

TheCrackFox again you are wrong. She was forced to cancel her last tour because it would have clashed too much with her film Burlesque.

She finished Bionic in 2009, then the role to play Ali came up in Burlesque and she didn't want to say no because it was perfect for her. So the release for Bionic got pushed back (to much disappointment to her fans) to film Burlesque.

Then when Bionic was released in June, she struggled to fit it all in, as well as looking after Max and plus she is going through a divorce so something had to give. So unfortunatly the tour had to be the thing to go.

So before you start the "album flopped" >>>yawn>yawn

If girls are really being filled withthese impressions (which I doubt) then I think that their parents have done them a disservice.

There should also be a rule on how many time 'pornification' can be used per thread

Christina says she didn't feel sexual until she was 21!

"Well - lots of people gyrate when they dance. And lots of people wear scanty clothes ( and that's in normal life not just pop stars)

So is it the combination of being scantily clad and gyrating? I'm trying to get my head around why you are all so shocked?"

In night clubs not primary schools!

I don't find this appropriate for a family show, I don't show my 5 and 7 year old bump and grind videos deliberately as they are full of girls with no clothes usually bumping and grinding hip hop stars and I don't want them to see that as aspirational, so I don't want to see it in a Sat night show which I often let my children watch (luckily they were ill and so went to bed before then).

I just find it odd that many people here think it is perfectly acceptable for their under 10s to watch dancers doing what effectively was a lap dancer routine.

Those of you who do approve I assume your conversations were as follows:

dd Mummy why are those dancers doing that?

M They are simulating sex,darling.

dd What does that mean?

M They are pretending to be lap dancers.

dd What are lap dancers?

M Women who chose to dance and take their clothes off for money but have obviously chosen to do that so aren't in any way being exploited.

dd I'd like to do that when I grow up.

All I can say is [fbear] and

Glad my dd was in bed. But this kind of thing is on music videos everywhere - any time of day. I winder war she will think at 5 years old when she sees this.

And the worst is my dd might grow up to believe this bollocks that writhing around in suspenders etc is aspirational/ empowering / being in charge of your sexuality. Hello! Wake up and look at how we are being manipulated!

I recommend reading Living Dolls - The return of Sexism by Natasha Walter.

I don't see XF as a family show however, they should have showed it after 9pm as a precaution.

I wonder what she will think...

Sorry

We're not shocked. We're pissed off.

I am sick of being bombarded by one dimensional images of women. I'm sick of mainstream media presenting porn as if it's normal life and I'm sick of being told that I'm a prude because I'm sick of it.

Look at fucking Dermot O'Leary - he's in a suit, he's hideously unsexy, he has no charm or charisma and if he were a woman, he would be required to be ten times more attractive and half naked.

It's not prudish to be annoyed about taht.

Oh dear - I think I may be referred to social services as I regularly dance with my kids after dinner to R&B music in the kitchen and we all laugh about the hips moving!

Oh never mind what Christina says, or her life story or her songs.

What's important is that she's hot & up for it.

Surely that's all any of us want?

Most of myconversations with my dn go like this

dn-when I'm big I'm going to be a frog
me- that's nice, why?
Dn- a frog with massive legs and then I can you know go everywhere and then inthe sea
me-brilliant.

I don't know, people didn't think she was hot earlier, they were calling her fat!

My mum watches the X factor. Ds (6) would too having seen it at her house. Fortunately he (mostly) does what he is told and it is never on in our house.

It is marketed as a family show. It is on tv on a mainstream channel before 9pm. Many many children stay up late (ie to 9pm) on a Saturday night to watch it.

"I just find it odd that many people here think it is perfectly acceptable for their under 10s to watch dancers doing what effectively was a lap dancer routine."

Have you ever been to a lap dancing club?

totally agree inappropriate for family show...rihanna is so cool but what's ok in the club at 3am is not cute on mainstream telly at 8pm.
why does everyone on tv think you should push the boundaries of what's acceptable? whether it's embarressing bodies or risque dance acts it's always 'sex sells' and if you don't lap it up you're jealous or prudish
it's all so blahhh. that was something i liked about cher..no sexy stuff there!!

amijee, yes if you do dress up like those backing dancers and dance in that style on front of your kids, that probably would be of interest to SS! (I'd hope so anyway!)

Hot. Fat. Irrelevant if you're a singer, I think.

Countless that was the only thing I liked about Cher - she never once porned up.

aimjee do you dance in your underwear and simulate sex in front of your children? Really?