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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

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Frazzledmumwithsmudgedmascara · 03/12/2010 23:03

OP, please please please move your son to another school.

We went through very similar with our eldest DD when she was at primary school, with her being bullied, treated as the class scapegoat and labelled "annoying" by teachers because she was bullied. We moved her at the end of year 5 and it was the best thing we could have done; overnight she transformed into a different child.

Move him! Things won't get any better at his current school :-(

rokersmum · 03/12/2010 23:07

urgh stories like this make me think they should have cameras in classrooms. my DS is 3.5yrs and is a real hugger - i can't stand to think of this happening to him and agree with the posters who have said to concentrate your energies on finding a new school for your son - then take action against the existing place.

sending lots of hugs and hope your son returns to his happy self very very soon.

GoodDaysBadDays · 03/12/2010 23:11

Haven't read all the replies so sorry if this doesn't flow with the chat but I have been in a similar position.

your whole story has similarities to me and ds.
I had him at 18, (ex)dh and I split when he was a baby, I remarried and all was well.

Ds bright and enjoyed school and was well liked by staff and peers until he went in to the juniors (year3).

Suddenly got picked on horribly, again crap, weak teacher was useless and the few times ds was pushed so far as to retaliate he got in trouble (disproportionately so compared to the punishments in school generally too Hmm)

I met with teacher; chatted / complained / asked for support for him / told her exactly what was happening - the poking under the desk and kicking out of sight were terribly common. But to no avail.

Once the ringleader was bullying ds at lunchtime and as he ran past ds (with his hat after taking it) ds stuck his foot out and tripped him up. Ringleader fell and broke a tooth. I was hauled up to the school in front of teacher, 2 senior members of staff and head. It was awful, they were not interested in the slightest about the bigger picture (I did not excuse the tripping up but did mention it was unlucky and unfortunate he had broken a tooth) and refused to acknowledge any problem. 'we do not have a bullying problem in this school'. Any school that says that is lying imo, every school has to deal with something at sometime.

Had the boy's Mum on the phone saying she was going to send her dh round to 'sort my dh out'. Nice. Wonder why the boy was like he was?

We moved (unrelated) but ds's self esteem was so low, he really struggled in new school. Old school like yours, 4 classes a year, new one was tiny, 9 children per year. Ds didn't fit in at all and with his terrible lack of confidence left him open to similar problems. Silly of me to move him to such a small school - everyone formed their friendships years ago and no room for a newcomer - layground was the same with them mums! Staff lovely though and did everything they could, ds was even on a reduced timetable for a while as he was refusing to go everyday and was physically ill so often.

After a few months a gave up pushing and moved him to a larger school in the area, I hated myself for all the moves, I wanted him to have the happy school days I had, in one school and though all the moving would damage him.

But no. Fisrt day out of the new school I took one look at him and cried. His eyes were bright, he looked like a different boy. I am not over-playing this! I hadn't realised what had happened to my boy, but at that moment I realised he was back. It sounds so dramatic, but honestly that's how it was. (I'm sitting here crying now remembering it all)

He settled, he went back to enjoying school, his marks went up, he made friends (not loads but a few nice ones and the rest of the class and school he rub along ok with) there was the odd problem - there always is - but school handled it well and over time as his confidence came back those little blips didn't bother him so much.

He's now 13 and in year 9. He loves school (seriously he does!) and enjoys it more every year. He's doing better academically than I ever imagined he would and is confident, well liked but everyone - good boys, bad boys, clever boys and all the girls Wink. Staff can't say enough good things about him, at parents evenings i always come out even more proud than I was at the last one. Out of school he's the same, his confidence and maturity are wonderful.

Yes I know I sound smug Grin but he went to rock bottom being bullied but he's come out the other side, and I am immensely proud of him If he hadn't moved schools I don't know if it would have turned out like this.

It's a scary thing to do and it worried me so much doing it, but start by looking at some schools, speak to the head candidly about your ds's problems, our 3rd school were well aware of ds and couldn't have helped more.

You can get through this and you will, but you need to get him out of there.

Good luck and apologies for the mammoth , rambling post x

GoodDaysBadDays · 03/12/2010 23:14

Apologies also for the wealth of typos - didn't read through Blush

iamamug · 03/12/2010 23:20

Agree with many posters suggesting a change of school if possible.
There must be something about Yr4 - my DS1 was picked on by a child much smaller than him - he was teased for being 'fat' (he wasn't at all - a bit of a chubby phase - nothing more)
This child was new to the school and quite funny - also - strangely enough - quite bright like my son.

I think he saw him as competition and sought to destroy him. All my DS's friends sided with this boy as they didn't want to be the odd ones out when he was being teased.

I wept in his teacher's office when we finally got to the bottom of his strange withdrawal and poorer grades.

His teacher was bullied herself and had no idea it was going on - I believe that as she wept with me.

Things did get better and he stayed at the school and has just passed 13 GCSE A-C

HOWEVER - he has chronically low self esteem, has self harmed, is bordering on anorexic and smokes dope.

He will never be the confident little boy that I sent to that school because children are little shits..

I cannot fix him and it breaks my heart.
DS2 is currently in Yr4 - is by a long way the smallest boy in the class and I watch him like a hawk. I do a lot of playdates and sleepovers and he has a much wider circle of friends than DS1 so if he falls out with one, he has another to play with.

But if I got so much of a sniff of anything happening again, I would be in the school straight away and would be looking for alternatives.

My heart literally bleeds for you as I know what your son is going through .

Sending very unmumsnetty hugs to you both..

choccyp1g · 03/12/2010 23:23

OP, your poor boy, I really feel for him in this horrible situation.
It is absolutely the fault of the school and in particular the class teacher, allowing this to happen. IMHO the teacher is scapegoating him so as to get the bullies on her side.
A little story; I was helping at DS' (Y5) class a few weeks ago, and an incident occurred, where one boy was being excluded. To my shame my DS was involved, but anyway I reported it to the teacher, and she barely had to open her mouth before the boys were apologising and bringing him back into the activity. My point being that they KNEW they were out of order and that they shouldn't get away with it. That atmosphere of no toleration is one that all schools should be striving for, and I think also one that we as parents should always be looking out for.

Statistically, our children are more likely to be bullies than bullied, and I feel when we see threads like this, if we are lucky to have a non-bullied child, we should also think about how to make sure we have non-bullying children. For example, if your DS suddenly "drops" one of his pals, ask him why; if the reply is oh, he's more friends with so-and-so now, that's fine, but if it is "nobody plays with him now", then dig further.

iamamug · 03/12/2010 23:24

Just wept reading GoodDays post.

Why can't schools see this stuff happening?? We wouldn't tolerate it at home would we?

It makes me so angry.

Bigpants1 · 03/12/2010 23:25

Hi. This is horrible for you and your poor ds. I think,(and I havent read the whole thread, so sorry if Im going over old ground), that given how distressed your ds is, you should consider keeping him at home till after the xmas hols. Take him to the GP and explain how stressed he his, just to get him checked out. While he is at home, see the Head Teacher,(go to the top), and demand she remedy the situation and speak to the class teacher re your concerns over her handling of your ds.
If you cant face going into the school, just ring-up and say ds has flu/whatever and wont be in for a while.(Dont worry re Welfare Officer-you can deal with that when/if it happens). Write or make an appoint. with someone high-up in your LEA and explain what has been happening, and that (a)ds will NOT be back at school, until an investigation has been carried out, and a way forward for your ds is found. Or,(b), you want a new school found for ds asap.
I dont know if you want to "hear" this, but something strikes me re your ds. You mentioned his Autistic Quirks early on in his schooling.You also talk of his sensitivity, fidgeting,easily distracted, hugging people inappropriately, and speaking older thanhis age. These "symptoms",(sorry cant think of a better word), can be seen in dc on the Autistic Spectrum-especially High Functioning Autism,HFA, and Aspergers Syndrome.(I have 2 ds on the Spectrum myself). These dc can also be academically very able. But, the older the dc gets, the more the poor social skills hinder them with getting on with their peers. Though not bullied as such, I have watched this happening with my ds2, and it very sad- a bit like watching a train wreck!
None of this excuses how the school has dealt with your ds situation at school, but, I do think it would be worth asking your GP to refer you to CAMHS,(CHILD AND ADOLESCENT MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES), or a developmental Paediatrician to get ds assessed. Even if the assessment comes back, with "lots of autistic traits", then, this is a way of describing ds difficulties, and those working with him, and family, can put in strategies to make school less traumatic.
I really urge you to do this sooner, rather than later, or else ds will associate school with stress and fear, and it will impact on his learning and self esteem. Take Care and HTH.

iamamug · 03/12/2010 23:26

Well said choccyp! These bullies have parents too - and they're not all neanderthals.

My DS's bully's parents were pillars of the community - police inspector and midwife and were very nice people - you would have had no idea they could have produced such a sneaky little shit.

GoodDaysBadDays · 03/12/2010 23:36

iamamug - sorry you went through the same with your ds and that it affected him so much Sad

Just been reading the rest of the thread and there's so much bullying going on - how is this happening to our dc's in an age where we have anti bullying policies and strategies and staff trained to deal with it?

rachyrachrach - I echo your thought 'my only regret is that I didn't do it sooner' Hopefully TermFromHell, you can take something from all our experiences to help your poor ds

Betty - so sorry for you and your daughter, wishing you strength over the coming weeks and months x

Sakura · 03/12/2010 23:40

I remember teachers singling out kids for bullying, Boys usually.
I agree with the poster who said the boys may have picked up on the teacher's attittude towards you. That can sometimes happen at home too when the father disrespects the mother, the children take their cue from him.
THe teacher is a disgrace.
You have had a lot of good advice here.
Your poor boy.

atah · 03/12/2010 23:50

choccyp if only more people thought like you.....

duchesse · 03/12/2010 23:57

choccyp1g- I so completely agree with you about asking further questions of your happy and confident children. My second child (15) is highly confident and successful academically, tons of friends, involved in everything yadda yadda.

As a former bullied child and the mother of two children who have been bullied (for want of a better word) along the way, my bully antennae are always on high alert. When I so much as sniff something that ain't right, I ask a lot of questions of DD1, to the extent that she feels that she is being blamed every time there is a falling-out. I just don't trust any child (or even teenager) to understand fully when someone is feeling bad about themselves and when to make allowances for others' behaviour.

Dansmommy · 04/12/2010 00:07

Your post was heartbreaking to read OP, and so are some others on here.

As a victim of bullying, and a mum, and a teacher, I'll tell you exactly what I'd do...

In the morning, when he gets up, tell him he never has to go back there again. Promise him. Sort out a new school for January, and spend the next month building his confidence. Get him back to being you happy child again.

Don't waste too much energy on the school. Write a letter of complaint and send it to ofsted, chair of governors, the head and the LEA. But aim to draw a line under it, and give all of your emotional energy to your son. Lots of us on here can help you with that stuff...wording the letters, sorting the school, even building his self esteem.

But please, please come on here tomorrow and tell us that you've made the decision that he's not going back, and that he knows, and is happy and stuffing his face with pre-Christmas chocolate! My heart is breaking for you and your lovely boy.

Please, listen to the voice of experience...
YOU WILL NEVER REGRET NOT SENDING HIM BACK THERE. NEVER

drfayray · 04/12/2010 00:13

Dear Termfromhell, I have not read the rest of this but want to tell you I know how you feel.

My son was also 8 when he was bullied. Very similar to your own dear son's experience. There was a ring leader who turned everyone in the class away from him. His one good friend apologised and said that Bully would beat him up if he did not turn against DS. DS told me one night that he wanted to kill himself. I have never forgotten his little face, dressed in PJs when he told me that. Bullies used to gang up on him and try to attack him with sticks. No teacher saw this. DS used to stand and watch boys playing, always on the outside.

Bully was a very smart boy who had a lot of problems in his family life. He often destroyed the classroom and just behaved badly. When DS told me that he wanted to die, I flew down to school and spoke to them. (This was in a coastal suburb in Australia, by the way.)The acting head was good and spoke to all the boys. DS's old friend came back. But never the same.

The same year, DD started kinder and was told by some girls in her class that she could not play with them as this was a group for 'whites only'!!! (DH is white, I am Indian). Again, I flew down to school but this time school found it hard to act. No anti-racism policy FFS. This was 7 years ago.

I was over this school. DH had been headhunted and we left this state for another. The school situation confirmed our decision to move.

DS blossomed in the new school and is now 15. He is tall, handsome, popular, clever and kind. He is always aware of the underdog (because of his experiences).

I am not giving any advice as such, just sharing my DS's tale and to say I understand how horrible it is to see your precious child suffering like this. At least the school DS and DD were in were supportive. You do not seem to have that from yours.

Sad
drfayray · 04/12/2010 00:23

Oh I also wanted to say, changing schools made all the difference. Although in our case we moved 500 miles to do so (distance is different in Australia though Wink).

DS also took karate and now is a rock climber and very fit. Although only 15, he is over 6 ft tall and looks like an adult.

Take him out of that school.

MaisieMama · 04/12/2010 03:16

I don't usually post but I absolutely had to when I read this.

You have almost exactly described my experience at age 8. I had a wicked witch of a teacher who picked on me, humiliated me regularly in front of the class and encouraged (by not bringing them up on it) other kids to bully me.

I was considered "dramatic" and "different" (I ended up working as an actress & a tv producer for several years so it served me well!) and she obviously, for some reason, HATED me. Over 25 years later when I think of it I still feel sick in my stomach.

My parents never stuck up for me, basically thought I was playing up and told me to get over it. I cried myself to sleep every night for a year. I would have given anything to have them do what dansmum said.

The bullying continued in one way or another until I was 17 and left school. Only then did I start to find my way in the world and began to be truly happy.

Please follow Dansmum's advice. Let your lovely boy know that you believe him and you will do whatever it takes to make things better for him.

Keep us posted!

Sakura · 04/12/2010 06:54

don't underestimate the positive effect of you listening to your son. So many kids suffer in silence because they can't/won't tell their mum. But a problem shared really is a problem halved.
I experienced bullying and really had noone to tell.

Animation · 04/12/2010 07:03

PROTECT YOUR SON!!

Take him OUT of that hell hole whilst you fight his corner or find somewhere else.

NO kid should be subjected to that kind of violence and hostility.

BettySuarez · 04/12/2010 07:35

What really worries me about this is that (so far) no adult within that school has stuck up for him. Being bullied can leave you feeling upset, frightened and confused ("why me? Etc) but if adults quickly step in and deal with the situation, then the bullied child at least begins to realise that it's not their fault.

Your son has not had this support from within the school infact his teacher appears to actually endorse the behaviour Angry - she should be fucking shot IMO

So I dread to think what kind of message this has given your son. The danger is that he will start to believe the messages of 'worthlessness' that are being directed at him and that could have disatrous consequences for him in the not too distant future ( our dd started self harming at the age of 11)

The one thing that I have picked up from this thread is a sort of 'common theme' amongst the children and adults who were bullied themselves as kids.

My dd is a highly intelligent girl but she has this quirkyness and slight eccentricity (which we adore) but I do feel that this was the route of her bullying problems as she has never felt the need to conform. I also recall that her teachers didn't handle her well - she was a but differnt to everyone else and they seemed to be irritated by that.

I hope and pray that she manages to get through this without loosing that spirit that she was born with.

OP please come back to this thread. The thought of your son returning to that school makes me feel sick to the stomach.

FreudianFoxSquishedByAPouffe · 04/12/2010 07:40

How are you guys feeling today? I hope DS can have a nice relaxing weekend.

What does your ex think about all this?

Post over on the home ed board if you want advice on taking him out of school legally.

BettySuarez · 04/12/2010 07:48

Iamamug - huge congratulations to your ds on his exam results. That is fab news!

I always tell my dd that cruel stupid kids invariably grow up to become cruel stupid adults. The difference is that when you are an adult yourself, you have a LOT more choice over who you spend time with and so it usually becomes easier to avoid these people and to settle down amongst your own kind.

I'm sure that the same will be said for your son and that his self esteem will gradually start to build.

Give him a hug from Betty x

TiraMissYou · 04/12/2010 08:10

Heartbraking. OP - I don't have any experience to advise, but many, many others here have. I would just say that you sound like a great mum, and my instinct would be to do as others have suggested - be tenacious. You can do this without being aggressive. Perhaps you can edit your OP into a statement,and at the end include questions that you expect answers to e.g.

What is the schools explanation for DS decline in performance at school?
What is the schools policy on bullying and how has it been applied in DS case?
What professionally does the school expect of you and DS with the advice 'stop being irritating'?
etc etc

Then close with timescales for when you would like a response/meeting. If yo are going to see GP and keep him off school make it absolutely clear the reason you are doing so is your fear for his wellbeing.

Make sure it goes to all appropriate parties - head, LEA. I'm not sure who, but maybe some guidence here gov education website

I really really hope you can resolve this. Very best wishes.

Georgimama · 04/12/2010 08:36

I could barely get through your OP, it was heartbreaking. You know that the real bully here is the teacher, don't you? I was bullied by a (male) teacher at the age of 8. He was a fucking psychopath, frankly. Back then it was still legal to smack schoolchildren, and he smacked me a few times. He also once smacked a disabled boy to the floor during a practice for the carol service whilst we were in church. I am gratified to say (and I really don't generally approve of violence) that the child's father chased him around the school playground, punched in the face and broke his jaw.

However he was also just basically cruel. he incited children to pick on each other; his little favourites could do whatever they liked. He played the organ at church (real Christian, this bloke Hmm) and was very keen on music. He seated the children in his class according to whether they were "growlers" or not i.e. in his view they couldn't sing - I was apparently a "growler". One of his hobbies was to make the "growlers" sing on their own and then encourage the others to laugh.

The school was utterly, utterly useless about this man much in the way your son's seems to be. I was only there for a couple of years as we moved around a lot and fortunately I was as pig headed at 8 as I am now, so I basically treated him with contempt. However I should never have been in this situation and neither should any other child.

I really hope your son isn't going back to school on Monday. Contact Head of Governers, LEA and your MP if you need to. You sound intelligent and reasonable. The only way to get your own way is to stop being reasonable, unfortunately, so that it becomes less hassle to deal with you than to ignore you. At the moment it is easier for them to ignore you.

Dansmommy · 04/12/2010 08:38

So many brilliant posts on here.

Hope you are OK OP. Your post has been on my mind all night, and I just wanted to add a few things I've thought of.

Firstly, please take your son to the GP. He's clearly suffering from stress/depression/anxiety and he should be able to get some counselling/other help. I think this will also help with the LA when you tell them why you're moving schools.

Secondly, when choosing your new school, go with your instincts. Meet with headteachers,tell them your son's story. You'll know from their reaction which of them should be caring for your son each day. Ignore ofsted reports, they're no good for things like this...there's no measurement for warmth.

I also have a few books to reccomend to you about building your son's esteem, but my baby is crying...I'll be back in a while with links.

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