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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

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cubbie · 03/12/2010 21:26

sorry for any typos

jaffacakeaddict · 03/12/2010 21:29

Your poor wee boy. I'm afraid I haven't had time to read the whole thread but thought I'd add this just incase it is of any help. I was bullied at about the same age although it wasn't as bad as the bullying your son has received. Looking back, I think one of the things that stopped it being so bad was that I had several friends that I spent a lot of time with out of school. This meant that they were more likely to stand by me when I was being bullied. I was sad to read that your son's friends haven't stood by him. They may still want to be friends but are just scared that if they stand by him they'll be the next ones to be bullied. Whether you want to keep your son in that school or move him elsewhere I'd suggest you may want to do what you can to stregthen friendships out of school, whether it be play dates, Scouts, after school club, whatever. It will not be an answer in itself, but may help a little.

Good luck

LatteLady · 03/12/2010 21:37

Termfromhell - would not be happy about this if I were the CoG at your school.

On Monday, call the school and ask for a copy of their complaints procedure together with the bullying procedure (again). Then work through it step by step, ask for an appointment asap with the Head, explain that you have tried to resolve this informally with both the teacher and the DH and you now wish to make it a formal complaint. You do not have to put this in writing (most schools do not realise this) but it is a good idea to do so, ask the Head who she intends to make the investigating officer and make sure that you are comfortable with this. And once again follow the process to the letter and keep the school to it, too. As most schools will use a generic complaint procedure, the normal process is (bear in mind this is very potted):

  • talk to member of staff informally to resolve the complaint (informal)
  • talk to the line manager of the member of staff (informal)
  • move to formal proceedings with the Head
  • investigation of the complaint
  • resolution or move to appeal
  • appeal

Next and probably most importantly, you need to find some help for your son - I suggest you contact either Young Minds on 0808 802 5544, who are available from 9.30 - 4.30 Mon - Fri or Childline (not as meldramatic as it sounds as they have counsellors available at all times).

AvaBanana · 03/12/2010 21:37

Take him out of this school NOW, please. And make a complaint - a really fucking BIG complaint to the Head, Governors and LEA about how your son has been FAILED by the school. Your boy, lovely boy. My heart aches for him. He needs out of this poisonous situation. He needs to know that he has done nothing wrong. He needs time to recover from this. You need time to consider what your next move will be.

As a nugget of hope - my DS was in a terrible situation during last academic year. He was suicidal and his self-esteem was at rock bottom (he has Asperger's and sounds a lot like your boy - very bright, socially a little naive, a good lad, though). He started a new school in Sept and although it has by no means all been plains ailing, I have got my little boy back. He is himself again. His confidence and self-esteem are growing and he has made some new friends and seems more relaxed and happy than I have seen him in a long time. There is hope. Just get him out of this shitty school NOW.

chippy47 · 03/12/2010 21:39

I really hope you find a solution for this. As a Dad of 2 DSs (Y1 and preschool)this is a situation I hope I never have to deal with. Usually quite good at holding it together but this post really got to me in a big way.
Some teachers are not what you would call pursuing a vocation in this day and age.
Whatever you decide to do I wish you every success in getting things sorted out.

Whelk · 03/12/2010 21:40

Your son sounds totally ace.
You sound like an ace mum and he has a close family.
He deserves far better than the teacher is giving him.
if he was my boy I would take him out and give him a fresh start somewhere else.

Good luck

susiesmith · 03/12/2010 21:42

This is awful - I feel heartbroken for you. I am not really sure of the answer but I definately would not send him back into the lions den on monday. (And I am teacher!)

Your son was fine in school you say until september, so he clearly is not to blame, there are other factors at play here.

If it is easy I would be very tempted to take him out the school. But in reality I know this might not be possible. If it is not possible I agree with the person that said about printing out your post. I think you explain the situation brilliantly and I think if you try to verbally explain things your may (as any parent would) get emotional and not get your point across.

The school needs to sort this out - make it clear it is their responsibility.

Whelk · 03/12/2010 21:44

to add to my last post your energy needs to be focussed on finding somewhere where your ds will thrive.

Only then would I fight the crappy school.

The unconditional support and love you and his dad give him now is crucial. Don't send him back.

surfandturf · 03/12/2010 21:46

What an awful situation - your DS sounds like an angel and I really hope you get your happy, go-lucky litle boy back soon. If it were me my knee-jerk reaction would be to pull him straight out of school and find a new one for him, but I know it's not that easy. Whatever you decide I would really urge you still to make a formal complaint with the school because if it's not your DS these nastly bullies will just find another victim - they need to be dealt with. I am Shock that 7 year olds can be so nasty.

Best of luck and be strong for your DS. Please let us know how you get on x

wendihouse22 · 03/12/2010 21:46

Agree with sickofsocalled....your posting here is excellent. I defy them not to be moved and ultimately, ashamed of their lack of support and therefore collusion in this awful scenario.

We're all with you in this!!!

Keep your chin up, love!

Maybee · 03/12/2010 21:48

How horrible for your ds and for you to see this happening to him. I have an 8yr old son too and I hate to hear about him feeling left out at school. Luckily it does n't happen much but he is sensitive. Recently I went to see his teacher to explain that me and his dad have split and I asked her to keep an eye on him as he had said that week he felt a bit out. The teacher was brill and did say that 8 is the age when boys start to find out who they are and form cliques. Your situation sounds extreme and it is the schools responsibility to try and sort this out. If it cannot be resolved maybe it is time to look at alternatives.
Good luck with it.

lemonmuffin · 03/12/2010 22:07

Oh dear, i am sitting here in tears for your ds. Please do not send him back there, home school him, whatever you need to do, till you find somewhere else for him. Just keep him out of that dreadful school.

These formative years are so important for a childs development and who knows what further damage could be caused there, no education is worth what he's been through. Sad for you.

JamieLeeCurtis · 03/12/2010 22:16

This thread is playing on my mind, as I know it is lots of us.

Just wanted to say that, tonight, my DS, who has been so unhappy in the last year that I thought he might end up a depressed adult, spontaneously said "Mum, I'm really happy" and then proceeded to tell me about his "ambitions" - to be an inventor and to go scuba diving.

Bullying is one of the biggest fears for most parents, but there is a way through.

BettySuarez · 03/12/2010 22:17

Oh crap crap crap, i had typed out a massive reply for you but managed to delete it before posting.

Very briefly then, please remove your son from this school and allow him to make a fresh start.

Our daughter went through a very similar experience at the same age and the problems follwed her into secondary school as most of the kids that were bullying her folowed her into secondary.

We had no idea that she was bullied at the same but moved her to a much nicer, happier secondary as soon as we found out.

We left it too late though Sad She now self harms on an almost daily basis, is waiiting for a referall to see a clinical psycologist and will probably be started on antidepressants withing the next week or two. She also sees a school coucillor.

Our happy, bubbly little girl who was always so full of life is now a shadow of her former self and while we appreciate that many teenagers go through this type of 'phase', we put a lot of it down to the bullying that she experienced when she was younger.

If we had known what was going on, we would have acted a lot sooner.

Please take your son out of this school. I personally wouldnt bother trying to address the issue or tackle the parents or teachers. Just get him out.

JamieLeeCurtis · 03/12/2010 22:18

Betty - it's so hard when you didn't know Sad

Rachyrachrach · 03/12/2010 22:20

This could have been my son 3 years ago. He was being constantly bullied by a small but influential group of about 6 boys. Their bullying was physical but like your son, mine was socially excluded by the rest of the class due to the actions of the bullies. The school did nothing to support him. When I went into school after my son came home covered in marks after the 6 boys had pushed him to the ground and kicked the shit out of him his teacher's response was that he "must have provoked them". This was typical of their attitude towards him.
He changed classes and there was a slight improvement for a while but it wasn't enough. He was thoroughly miserable - "no one likes me, no one will play with me, I have no friends" etc. He would do anything to avoid school and became sullen and withdrawn. On the day that I was in school for my older son's DARE presentation and afterwards I looked out if the window and watched my little boy wandering round the playground entirely alone and the supervising teacher didn't even appear to notice I swore he was never going back to that school ever again.
The next term he started at a new school and was a different child after his first day. He's in year 6 now and is doing so well. He's involved in everything the school can offer, loves going to school and always has friends calling for him after school.
Moving him was the best thing I've ever done for him and my only regret is that I didn't do it sooner. No child should have to endure that kind of misery.
I hope you can make things better for your son.

fidelma · 03/12/2010 22:29

Sorry I haven't read the whole post but his happiness must be your number one priority.Get him out of there now.Do not waste another day.

I am thinking about you both.You need to turn this around for him.

BettySuarez · 03/12/2010 22:30

Im glad that you were able to achieve such a good outcome for your son Rachyrachrach Smile

I was also bullied relentlessly as a child and it became my biggest fear for my own children at school so I just hate myself for not seeing it.

Looking back, I told very few people about my bullying at the time (I dont think my parents were really that aware) and so I feel that I should have instinctivley known what my daughter was going through (some non verbal clues perhaps)

Today we spent the morning at the hospital having blood test taken in preparating for her psych referal (GP is excellent and very thorough).

I sure as hell didn't see this coming Sad

Toughasoldboots · 03/12/2010 22:33

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spudballoo · 03/12/2010 22:34

Oh I'm in floods...what a super chap your boy is, and how awful that he's gone through so much. It must be tearing you in two, but at least he's close enough to you and eloquent enough to be able to share what has happened to him with you.

My children are much younger (5 and 3) but my 'bullying' and 'being left out' antennae are already vibrating for my 5yo who doesn't seem to have friends at school.

I would be broken, just broken if he ever broke down the way your son has done to you.

You've done everything that you should. You've talked to the teacher a couple of times, you've talked to the DH...his Dad has too. They aren't listening and they aren't doing anything.

I know the thought of changing schools must feel overwhelming and probably fraught with logistical difficulties, plus that naggng 'what if it's no better?' kind of fear. But do it. I don't think that kind of bullying ever goes away and he's so young and tender. Let him start afresh. Start somewhere where you can be up front about the problems he has had so that the school can be on the look for it and support you.

You're quite right to keep him home. He needs his mother and your love and comfort and reassurance while you muddle the next bit out.

But he really sounds so super, what a lovely boy. You must be thrilled to bits with him and so proud of how funny, smart, clever and sensitive he is. Please don't think that his family background has anything to do with how things have turned out. This is ALL about the bullies, and not about your boy or his family background.

xxx

KangarooCaught · 03/12/2010 22:34

So sorry this has happened to your lovely boy. How a teacher could fail to see what an asset he would be to their class, I just can't comprehend, and her behaviour SadAngry...words fail me.

There is some excellent advice on here, have nothing further to add, but please post if you think MN can be of further help or just a listening ear. As a parent and teacher you have my unqualified support - and I really do hope your ds is able to have fresh start and be his old self again, he sounds an absolute delight.

Rachyrachrach · 03/12/2010 22:37

Oh Betty I'm so sorry for your poor daughter. Please don't hate yourself for not knowing though. As you know from your own experience if a child doesn't want you to know something they'll make sure you don't know - I think girls are especially good at putting on a happy face (I certainly was).
The important thing is that you know now and are doing everything you can to support her.

JamieLeeCurtis · 03/12/2010 22:46

I agree Betty - iI think it's more usual for them not to tell you than to tell you.

I'm not sure if it was you, but someone on here a few months ago urged me to take my DSs self-hating statements seriously and go to the GP/CAMHS. I think it might have been you

BettySuarez · 03/12/2010 22:55

Not sure it was me Jamie (cant remember clerly as last few months quite a blur) but is your DS OK now?

Bloody kids eh? Grin

Does the worry ever go away?

JamieLeeCurtis · 03/12/2010 22:56

Yes, thankyou, much, much better. Thank God for MN

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