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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

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TottWriter · 04/12/2010 08:47

That is appalling. I would definitely pull your DS out - I was left in a school where I had no friends and was picked on, and it just went from bad to worse until after two years I was nigh on incapable of making friends. It wasn't until secondary that I was able to start afresh, as the only student from my old school with no reputation to be tainted with.

Also, considering your DS is quite academic, make a point of mentioning the good marks he will be taking with him to a new school. It sounds like this school don't give a damn about his welfare, but they probably will care about their league tables. Make sure they know just what they've lost because of their disgusting approach.

I hope your DS is happy again soon.

whiteliesaregoodlies · 04/12/2010 09:05

TermFromHell are you OK this morning? Am worried about you.

Just wanted to reassure you that we are all here to help, so many of us have been through this personally. But there IS light at the end of the tunnel, and many of the stories here are proof of that.

There have been two AIBU on here this week involving teachers bullying, both the first I have ever seen in AIBU where the responses have been unanimous. Please read that as a sign that you are NOT alone.

So sorry for all of you on here who have suffered - how is this not a national priority?

iwasyoungonce · 04/12/2010 09:29

Hi OP,

Just wanted to add my voice to the many others who are urging you to remove your son from this situation immediately.

PLEASE do tell him that he never has to go back to that horrible place, and stick to it. You are all your son has to protect him from this, and he is crying out (literally) asking you for help.

A fresh start is what he needs, in a good school who will support him.

Please please pleae keep us updated, this is going to play on my mind.

(BTW, it sounds like you are a fantastic mother, thank god).

AllOverIt · 04/12/2010 09:45

OP - I'm so heartbroken for you and your gorgeous DS. I'm a teacher (though Secondary) and I was a Head of Year and dealt with bullying problems.

You've had lots of great advice on here, particularly from Lattelady

The problem with dealing with bullying in schools is that REAL bullying, as in this case, is often lost within all the calls of bullying that are, in fact, friendship issues.

Your son is being bullied by both the kids and by his class teacher. She sounds awful and the kids are certainly taking their lead from her.

Please don't ever send your son back to that school. Get on the phone to the LEA / County Council and ask for schools that have a place free and get him moved their for January. In the meantime he stays at home and the school can send you work for him to do at home.

Good luck. The school need a rocket up their arse, but more importantly your son needs to know that he is never going back there again.

Laska · 04/12/2010 10:34

How truly awful for him Shock

The board of governors at the school should have a bullying policy drawn up. You need to demand to see this and see what action you can take. Hoping that you get some help to deal with the little scrotes - and his diabolical teacher.

lemonmuffin · 04/12/2010 10:38

Please come back op and let us know what you're going to do. I'm going to worry about your ds all weekend otherwise Sad

Anice · 04/12/2010 10:54

TermFromHell - I've been reading all the advice you've been given and what Dansmommy said struck a cord.

My son was born the same month as your son and he's clever and different, just like your son. Last year he had an awful teacher who had no idea even how to spell compassion. By the end of the year my DS was shaking with fear over something trivial (forgetting his pencil case) and something in me snapped.

I sat him down and I told him that I was on his side. If the teacher did ANYTHING to him which was not fair, then I would come down on her like a ton of bricks. Then I told him about an argument I'd had with his teacher a few months earlier (and I'd previously kept secret from him).

It was against everything I thought I would do regarding supporting the school. It worked wonders: even as a I spoke I could see him begin to brighten. He must have felt alone and vulnerable and my words made him feel protected. I don't know why he felt that way as I've always been there for him but somehow that teacher had made him feel that he was on his own.

Your case is 1000 times more serious, but I just want to echo what Dansmommy said about the importance of making his feel that he doesn't have to deal with this alone.

PS big hugs to you too... I am so sorry you have to go through this too but do draw on Mumsnet support as this is what it does best

porcamiseria · 04/12/2010 10:56

i really hope that people with similar have given you good advice

poor him and poor you, my heart goes out to you

follow advice and hope he can have a fresh start

xxxx

AlpinePony · 04/12/2010 10:59

I'm sorry I've not read all the thread. Your son sounds absolutely adorable and as I'm sure, probably everyone else has already said - get him out. If I were in your area I'd help with childcare between now and next term when he can start a new school. I would though want to march in to that damned school on Monday and have it out with those teachers! :(

Kbear · 04/12/2010 11:04

Your son said he wishes he was dead - I would never send him back there again.

My heart breaks for you. My DS had a bit of argy-bargy recently which resulted in me having a chat with another mum (who no longer speaks to me because her precious angel would NEVER say those nasty things...) but I had to show my DS I was on his side and would protect him no matter what. He came home from school and got into bed with his clothes on and sobbed and sobbed - I don't feel I overreacted, I just calmly did what I had to do. The boy who upset my DS now knows that whatever nasty spiteful things he says to my DS will get back to me and I will tell him mum and funnily enough it has now stopped!

Usually the insecure kids pick on the popular kids until they have everyone on their side and this sounds like what has happened here. Your DS doesn't have to put up with this - don't send him back.

Georgimama · 04/12/2010 11:07

A friend of mine who has recently qualified as a teacher (and therefore now knows everything there is to know about children and education, naturally) had a long involved thread on her FB page recently with all her teacher friends in which they universally agreed that none of them knew any bad teachers. I feel like posting her a link to this thread.

enimod · 04/12/2010 11:09

i am a teacher and i too have a son- seriously consider removing your child from the school and starting a fresh in a new school. if it were my son i would do it straight away. if you are worried about friends etc keep in contact and meet his friends at weekends etc- for your son to go back to his old slef he needs to be reomived form what is creating the misery and to be placed back in a lovely caring environment where everyone will look out for him-he'll be the new boy-everyone will want to be frineds with him etc etc.

Kaloki · 04/12/2010 11:10

Your poor DS :(

Do remove him, it's not worth putting him through another day of this. I speak as someone whose DH was your poor DS when he was that age. And who wasn't allowed to leave, he was sectioned at the age of 13.

forehead · 04/12/2010 11:25

What really pisses me off is the attitude of schools.
I recently attended a meeting where parents spoke to the headmistress and governors about
issues concerning the school , including bullying.The headmistress actually had the audacity to say that bullying did not exist in her school as bullying had to be a sustained physical assault against an individual. I soon put her in a place and explained that bullying could be simply excluding individuals. It just shows you how out of touch some teachers are. OP, take your son out of the school now.

christmasheave · 04/12/2010 11:29

I was the victim of a teacher bully in my last year of primary school. She would mock me, belittle me and actively encourage other children to laugh at my mistakes. I wasn't moved. It took years to repair the damage.

Please remove your son. No one should be that unhappy and the school are blatantly not going to do anything to help him. They are laying all of the blame firmly at his door. He's 8 FFS and the teacher should franky be ashamed of herself.

I am fuming on your behalf and on behalf of your son. Contact the govenors, make a complaint. Take your ex with you and show a united front. They shouldn't be able to get away with this.

whatwouldnigellado · 04/12/2010 11:37

I'm not sure how helpful this might be but an idea might be for you and your son to keep a diary of the bullying and the teachers reaction to it (for next term maybe?)
I agree with taking him out of school but I don't know how long that will take and this way when you meet with the governors or deputy head you would have a record of of what has been happening and highlight the disgraceful difference between the teachers behaviour and what she is presenting in meetings.
Also a record of any conversations/letters etc you have with her and inconsistencies between what she tells you and your little un's dad. The poor little thing, it is so good he could tell you whats been happening for him.

Georgimama · 04/12/2010 11:42

It doesn't take anytime to remove him from the school. He just doesn't go back on Monday.

ChildofIsis · 04/12/2010 11:42

Dear OP, I absolutely think you should remove him. Let the LEA find him a new placement. The school is legally required to have a policy on bullying, but of course no-one can make them inforce it if they're in denial. Most primary schools in my area have playground befrienders, Yr5 & Yr6 pupils who are mentored to help excluded kids during breaks. There is an acceptance that bullying is a fact of life and the victim and bully clearly need support, it's highlighted and dealt with as soon as possible. Your DS's school could be like this if they pulled their fingers out. My heart goes out to you all.

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Curiousmama · 04/12/2010 11:57

How are you termfromhell?

humanoctopus · 04/12/2010 12:28

Please remove your beautiful son from the hellhole that is his school.

Write a letter, copied to the board of governers and the education welfare dept, stating that due to the continued, sustained bullying, you have no option but to remove him from this unsafe environment.

I have a teen son, who had a disaster teacher for one year. This arse-man allowed the slightly wayward disruptive kids to torment my child and his friend. The teacher took an active roll in encouraging bad behaviour towards children who didn't 'fit'.

Our poor boy took years of emotional and physical hammering as a result of this one bad year at school.

We moved him to another school. It took two years for us to get our boy 'back', iykwim.

Moving him was the best thing for him, and I feel strongly that you have to do the same for yours.

Changing schools is hard on all concerned. It takes courage to stick with it (we even had 'but i preferred my old school', etc) but you have to think of the long term consequences of inaction on your part.

Good luck.

ShuffleBallChange · 04/12/2010 12:31

Get him out of that rubbish school, poor little boy. Its heartbreaking to read and he should not have to put up with that sort of crap at 8 years old. What amazes me is the bullies always seem to get away with it, they are never moved to a different class etc.

My DS1 was in Reception last year and a year 2 boy kept pinching his face really hard, we were told by the LSA and teacher that its because DS1 and friends were winding up the older kids - that may be so but surely its not right for a school to accept that reaction from older kids towards kids only just 4 years old!!!!

wendihouse22 · 04/12/2010 12:37

Don't agree with the post that said "don't run away, it would be a good lesson for your son to learn to stand up and fight his corner".

NO NO NO !!

Make your official complaints then run!

Take him away from that school.

bupcakesandcunting · 04/12/2010 13:05

Sorry, I haven't read the entire thread but I am between crying and being FURIOUS for you.

Agree with the posters who say take him out of school. Nothing good can come from a school where the teachers are bastards.

I hope your DS is OK. I don't know how I'd cope if it was my DS. I'd want to beat the crap out of all of them. Angry