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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

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sowhatis · 03/12/2010 19:36

get him out of there. quick. and i would also look into some counselling for him aswell, these things can last well into adulthood and really damage a child. id take him out now and start a new school in jan.

janajos · 03/12/2010 19:40

Print this out and take it to the school Then your concerns are documented. What you have written is very clear and unbiased, you may be too upset to speak calmly; this will help. Good luck

nevercansaygoodbye · 03/12/2010 19:41

What a horrible story. Your ds's teacher is also a bully. Saying that its your ds's son that he isn't trying to make the others like him, and its his personality that is the problem is just terrible. What happened to teaching that it is important to be tolerant and nice to everyone no matter what? FGS it makes my blood boil how she has behaved. Surely her role is to enhance your son's self-esteem, not make him feel like a pariah

Tabliope · 03/12/2010 19:47

I really feel for you and your DS. You've had really good advice here. Make sure you have someone with you on Monday (ex P) and tell the HT everything that has gone on and ask her what she's going to do about it. If nothing is going to change get him into a new school - perhaps a smaller one if possible. He sounds lovely.

Curiousmama · 03/12/2010 19:48

Sad for your lovely little boy. DS2 keeps saying he's weird and there's something wrong with him but he changed school's recently (due to move) He does like his school though and they're very good at sorting any bullying.

Really feel for you and ds. I wouldn't let him go back there. They've let him down so much poor mite.

BigTillyMincepie · 03/12/2010 19:50

What a dreadful story Sad

Loads of good advice here. I would think that maybe a fresh start somewhere else would be a good option, but you would need to find a school which could meet his needs sensitively, and be very open about all that has gone on and his needs so that they can be fully aware and start off on the right foot.

molliemol · 03/12/2010 19:53

The school and the teacher have a duty of care to every child at the school- their personality traits are irrelevant. You need to ask them about their anti bullying policy- every school must have one, and ask them if they have implemented it with regards your DS. I would also consider making a formal complaint against the class teacher, and ask them for evidence that they have acted on your original concerns.And change schools- give him a fresh start.

backwardpossom · 03/12/2010 19:56

Good grief, never before has a thread on MN made me cry. Your poor DS (and you!) :(

Nothing to add to the already excellent advice, but couldn't read and run. I do sincerely hope that this is all sorted out soon and your DS returns to his usual happy self x

SleepyCaz · 03/12/2010 20:00

Your poor little boy.

Please just take him out, he didn't go in today, that's brilliant, never send him back.

My brother was that boy at school for years, my parents didn't move him because they hadn't many options with schools. I have seen first hand the misery it can cause when it's left for longer than a few weeks.

Please let us know how you get on. This has made me cry so much. You are utterly right about that vile teacher.

Big hug for you both.

PS Your DS sounds like such an intelligent little chap, well done.

BerylStreep · 03/12/2010 20:03

Nothing to add that hasn't already been said. So Sad for your DS. I agree, take him out for the rest of term - it is important for him to know that you are taking this seriously and on his side (although you sound fab, I'm sure he is in no doubt of that already).

I agree that moving schools is probably the best option, especially if the HT is allowing staff to encourage bullying - the leadership is dire.

Don't leave without making an almightly fuss - submit all the complaints you can.

Poor guy.

wendihouse22 · 03/12/2010 20:04

Make a formal complaint to a) the school head (not the teacher, she's a disgrace) b)the school governors c)the LEA. This is a serious issue. You have approached them in a calm way, you have watched your son deteriorate on a daily basis and it must stop.

Personally, I would remove him immediately from the school. Wouldn't take him back.

I would take him to the GP and ask for a referral for assessment for autism. My son is ten. He's autistic. He is a very kind boy, very loving, aims to please but is socially isolated and has no friends. I am aware that whilst the kids in his class are supportive and accept him as he is, he may not be so lucky next year in secondary school.

Remember that the school has a responsibility to provide a safe learning environment for your son to achieve an education. Ask them what their school philosophy is...........no where will it say "provide an environment of abuse and fear so that a child is unable to access learning".

Your son deserves better. He sounds like a little sweetheart and I was so terribly sad to read your post. I hope you can sort it out and your son finds a safe place.

pinkorkid · 03/12/2010 20:07

I felt horrified on your and your son's behalf after reading your post. The school are failing in their duty to your son. I would agree with the other posters who suggest keeping your son at home until this is sorted.

First of all I would see your GP to explain what has happened so that he can support you in keeping your son off school because of the extreme stress the bullying is causing him. You may want to ask him for a referral to CAMHS (child and adolescent mental health service) to discuss the impact this is having on his mental health - they may be able to offer advice and counselling and support when you tackle the school.

Next person to contact would be the Educational Welfare Officer to pre-empt any talk of unauthorised absence. Explain why your son is unable to attend school. With support from CAMHS his absence should be recorded as authorised absence. Also, depending on how long it takes to resolve the situation, you should be aware that any child who is absent from school for longer than two weeks due to illness is legally entitled to a minimum of 5 hours per week home tuition.

Partnership with Parents offer parental support including someone who will accompany parents to meetings with school and LEA, they will take minutes and should be able to advise you on your rights and whether the school are meeting their responsibilities.
If you don't manage to get them to come in to any meeting with the school at short notice, I would recommend bringing in a friend or relation to offer the same support. It's a good idea to make your complaint to the school in writing and to keep a written record of any conversations you have with them.

I hope you manage to get the help you need whether you get present school to face up to their responsibilites or find a more supportive alternative setting. There are lots of people with experience of their dcs being bullied for being a bit different over on the Special Needs/Children thread - they will be able to advise on what they have been through and hopefully how they resolved things.

Let us know how you get on.

LadyGolden · 03/12/2010 20:15

That poor little boy, and poor you! really... The problem with these schools is they are so filled with little thugs and future inmates that the truly pleasant, good natured and loving children get the reputation of being "werid" What I cannot believe is this witch of a teacher how DARE she. My first thought was get him out of that school too but on second thought it could do more harm than good (and lets face it, isn't easy) and put it into his head that he is the problem.

So far you have behaved beautifully in my opinion which is to your benefit as you wont come across as hysterical or aggressive which so many of us protective mothers get labeled. I think you should put it in writing to the Teacher, The Head, and the Governors write everything you have told us. Withdraw him from the school until something is done about it. Also don't act like nothing is happening to him make sure he knows YOU know what is happening to him and how wrong it is. Make that as clear as possible to him.

It would be good to start a routine thing with him so he has something to look forward too everyday try reading the harry potter books with him (lots of reference to bullying and uniqueness which might boost his spirits!

Stay strong and give him lots of hugs! Not that you need to be told that! :)

LunarRose · 03/12/2010 20:25

PLEASE try and get hold of the "anti-bullying toolkit" if your LEA has an anti bullying referral unit try and get a referal. Our LEA uses it with very good effect. For me when I encountered it during PGCE training it was a revolutionary way of looking at bullying.

Unusually it offers a lot of things that "victims" can do to reduce the chance of being victims. Running away may well be the right thing for your son, but he needs to be equiped to ensure the problem doesn't follow him. I was always taught to walk away. I've spent a lot of my life walking away, I wish I'd been taught appropriate ways to fight back, a skill I'm still struggling to learn

BTW, I might bulk the trend and say that your school might have at least spotted the problem,, just going about solving it the wrong way. the thing about being an "irritant" and a nice group of nerd to hang round with, might just be totally inappropriate way of highlighting a need to work on social skills.

FWIW I would definately check out the autism question.

xx

LadyGolden · 03/12/2010 20:27

POINT

Make sure you write to the teacher so she cannot say she was "unaware of the seriousness of the situation" That old chestnut has got many a lazy teacher out of a pickle. Make a copy of that note. ;) She won't have a horrible leg to stand on.

mamatomany · 03/12/2010 20:42

My eldest child was sent to coventry about two years ago by most of her classmates, single year entry, church school, ofsted outstanding, pastoral care should have been excellent etc.
The other children as individuals knew what was happening was wrong but couldn't seem to find it in themselves to be the one to stand up and stop it. Teachers claimed DD was happy when I was at their door weekly telling them the opposite.
Anyway I moved her, gave her a good talking to about this being a fresh start, my DD would introduce herself as I'm X the weirdo, not helpful.
But she is now friends with everyone in her class, they have their ups and downs but she is not that sad face i used to see coming out of school every day.
Sometimes a fresh start is all they need.
Lots of hugs to your family, thank God he has you as a mother xx

acebaby · 03/12/2010 20:48

As the other posters have said, please take him out of that school immediately. Can you HE him until you find him somewhere he will be happy?

Just knowing that (a) he never has to go back there and (b) that you listen to him and care enough to take such decisive action may be enough to set him on the road to recovery.

I haven't had a chance to read all the replies, but has anyone suggested that some of the physical assaults (eg being punched repeatedly in the stomach) would be reason enough to call in the police? I don't know if this is the case, but it might be worth pursuing. The level of bullying and the terrible handling of it by the school may also be of interest to OFSTED.

In your position, before Monday, I'd print out your post and send it to the head teacher, the teacher in question and OFSTED. And then on Monday ring the LA and de-register your lovely DS from that school at the same time.

rotool · 03/12/2010 20:51

I would consider taking your DS out of this school and giving him a fresh start somewhere else.
Write to the board of govenors and your LEA to make a formal complaint against the teacher and the head.
Goodluck, I will be praying for you both tonight.

SiriusStar · 03/12/2010 21:00

I would be interested to know what his previous teacher thinks of the situation since leaving his/her class.
If he was ok last year, was it with the same class of children? He can't have had such a drastic change of personlaity that they can use this as the basis of their arguement.

I agree that looking for another school would be a good idea and I feel cross that I am saying that as it isn't good enough. Such a let down to just move the "victim" on and pretend like it hasn't happened.

Ephiny · 03/12/2010 21:02

I just want to say it's totally inappropriate and unhelpful to be making comments about him learning to fit in better, need to work on social skills, get more fashionable haircut/clothes etc. Would you say the same to an adult who was being frequently kicked and punched by colleagues and subjected to psychological torment in the workplace?

It's completely irrelevant if he has poor social skills or dresses badly or is annoying or whatever (not that I think any of these things are the case in this situation) - none of that would make it any more ok for him to be subjected to violent assaults and other bullying. What he is or isn't doing wrong is not the issue, that's like blaming a woman if she gets raped because wasn't dressed modestly enough. Let's not go there.

MeMudmagnet · 03/12/2010 21:11

I haven't read all the posts, but I have read all of your long and heartbreaking op.

Although it's very tempting, to turn and run.
I think it's important to know how to fight. And an important lesson for your lovely son.

Write a formal letter to the head, using your op as a base. Write to the govenors too.

Raise hell, but calmly and firmly.

Try calling the 'Kidscape' helpline, I found them really helpful when my dd was suffering.

But whatever you do, keep talking to your ds and try to keep his confidence up.

Good luck.

sickofsocalledexperts · 03/12/2010 21:11

I would send a version of what you wrote here to the head. I would tell them that you are taking legal advice ( you are, mine) and that you believe the schl is failing so badly in its duty of care towards your ds, that it is now affecting his mental health. Tell them that their anti bullying measures are wholly inadequate and that your next step is an approach to the governors. Tell them that you are also looking into disability discrimination legislation, given previous worries about your boy's aspergers tendencies making him different. Do this all without emotion. You will scare the bejesus out of the ignorant, negligent a-holes. Do not send your poor lad back until they can furnish you with an anti bullying strategy for your boy. If u want me to help draft the letter, message me. This is simply not on in 2010.

soccerwidow · 03/12/2010 21:17

I am so sorry, I am currently working as a supply teacher and although I see both sides of the story I am still [shock} at how your DS has been treated by the "professionals" charged with his care!

I wanted to add about looking for another school - look for a 1 or 2 form entry school. Smaller schools are much more friendly than very large ones IMO. Staff have no choice but to talk and interact with each other. Also look for a school with a strong Pastoral ethos rather than an academic one, because firstly your son needs to be happy, the acadamic achievement will then follow.

Our LEA is very good when parents ring to make complaints. They take complaints very seriously. You could try phoning yours on Monday before you make any decision.

and finally the school should be meeting the needs of your DS - he shouldn't have to moderate his behaviour to have his needs met! In OFSTED's words "Every child matters".

wineonafridaynight · 03/12/2010 21:19

Take sickofsocial up on her offer of help to draft the letter. Sadly I have discovered that dealing with things with schools , it is helpful to know someone who knows the ins and outs and can help with formal letters on board!

cubbie · 03/12/2010 21:26

I'm sitting here almost in tears for you. I'm a primary teacher and part of the job is to ensure that all children are HAPPY and have got friends.

She sounds like a total fucking cunt. She should be reported.

I haven't read the rest of the thread, and tbh, I can't bear to right now.
Sorry if that sounds mean but I know I will get upset and angry and I'm trying to sit and relax now (i clench my teeth at night and this is the sort of thing which would really wind me up and I know I'd go to sleep thinking about it. Would end up with my jaw in even more pain).

Please do what some of the first couple of posters said, and consider moving school.

The authority has a DUTY OF CARE towards children, might do no harm to reming/point that out to HT/DHT>

If it were me and it was physically possible for you to do so, I'd damn well keep the wee soul at home till you get things sorted out. He needs lots of love, affection and affirmation of his self-worth from people who really care about him.

He's obviously very bright, won't do him any harm at all to miss a good few days.

There are loads of websites such as Education City and Grid Club where he can continue to work/revise/learn. The school should also provide work.

I'd take it to the highest level.

I'm just imagining that it's one of my ds (age 3 and 2) and I'm absolutely heartbroken for you, not to mention furious.

Keep him at home and give hime lots of hugs, and here's one for you (((((((( ))))))))))))