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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

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piprabbit · 07/12/2010 12:31

Have a look at www.parentchannel.tv for videos on handling lots of parenting issues including bullying, building your child's confidence even switching schools. You might find it gives you some ideas for boosting your DS at the moment.

I'm so impressed that you have handled this situation so quickly and effectively - your DS is lucky to have you on his side.

chicaguapa · 07/12/2010 12:34

Read the whole of this thread and feel your frustration etc. Please come back and let us know how your DS gets on in his new school. Though I'm pretty sure he will go back to being a happy little boy again.

bupcakesandcunting · 07/12/2010 12:36

Thank you for coming back TermFromHell. I've thought about you all over the weekend, and your son.

You've done the right thing, as I'm sure you know. But I wouldn't let it lie at that. As someone else said, stop it from happening to someone else. I would bet now that your DS has left, there'll be some other poor sod getting bullied in his place. Little fuckers. Report them too OFSTED, I second that. Let them know that after christmas, you'll be gunning at them, both barrels. You've got us for back-up Wink

thumbplumpuddingwitch · 07/12/2010 12:40

I am so glad I didn't read this until now, so that I coudl see your update. I am so upset for your poor DS. It's something that scares me so much for my own DS whenever he gets bigger and goes to school - he's such a friendly, inclusive little soul and doesn't understand when people don't want to play with or smile at him already, I'm afraid his heart is going to be broken at school as well.

I do hope he manages to get into a much nicer, more conducive school with teachers and a head who actually care about their pupils, not label the clever and sensitive ones as "irritants" and "nerdy", FFS. You can pretty much guess what sort of pupils those teachers were when they were at school, can't you?!

Good luck and I hope he recovers from this dismal term without longlasting effects.

homeboys · 07/12/2010 12:42

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bupcakesandcunting · 07/12/2010 12:44

"It's something that scares me so much for my own DS whenever he gets bigger and goes to school - he's such a friendly, inclusive little soul and doesn't understand when people don't want to play with or smile at him already, I'm afraid his heart is going to be broken at school as well."

Mine too, thumbpudding. My DS is so kind and gentle and his friends are a bit more aggressive and self-serving. Which is fine, it's the nature of kids. I just worry for him :(

galwaygal · 07/12/2010 12:57

Termfromhell - well done on your actions, I hope that the LEA are able to help with the new school, and that you are able to get the support for your son emotionally too. But I think that having his mum act so directly will be the best help for him.

I was amazed by the total agreement in everyones reactions here, and hope that this helps you too. You are doing the right thing for your son, not that you need me to say it, but I hope that reading it helps reassure you that you are right to follow your instincts with your son.

monkeyflippers · 07/12/2010 12:58

This is so awful for your lovely little boy. I think you are doing the right thing by moving him to another school. I think in less extreme circumstances it would be unsettling but he is being bullied by a whole class and by the teacher by the sounds of it. Poor little thing!

I think you are right to think about clubs to boost his confidence and also I would suggest trying to make friends with the other mums at his new school so that it will be easier to arrange for him to meet his new class mates to play outside of school. I think that really helps firm up relationships. As much of that as possible. Poor little monkey!

I don't know what options are open to you but I would put this whole issue into writing and complain as much and as high up as you can go. Do OFSTED deal with complaints? The teacher needs to be dealt with and the school for their handling and dismissing of this.

I'm and so disgusted that it's made me feel sick and I want to cry. Big hugs to you both.

Curiousmama · 07/12/2010 13:04

Xmas Smile thanks for the update. Angry but not totally surprised by the school, hear of this way too much. It's almost dickensian?

Keep us posted. Really pleased your ds is relaxed now. You're already doing a good job re:self esteem. He'll look back on this and be so proud of you as parents.

Sounds totally mush but it's threads like these that make me happy to be a mumsnetter Xmas Smile

rockinhippy · 07/12/2010 13:04

Having seen my own bright vivacious DD break down in a similar way over a bullying situation last year, again affecting her health & school work - I really feel for you & your boy :(

Difference was in our case, Head & Teachers were very supportive, the problem came from above, as in the ring leader problem boy (who sounds very much as you describe) couldn't at that stage be expelled by the School....thankfully he was eventually, & things thankfully.

Stop worrying about not stepping on the Teachers toes, she is failing MISERABLY in her duty of care to your Son Angry toughen up, * go sort them out & take no prisoners - sorry to be so harsh, but sadly from experience I know thats what it will take - YOUR SON COMES FIRST, it is his right under "every child matters"

Speak again to the Head, & PUT IT IN WRITING & DO raise a complaint about the Teacher, also take your Son to see your GP, get it all on record & try & get your Son to pen up to your GP Wink it will work in his favour with the School & getting things sorted

Then, copy your letter of complaint, using plenty of there own jargon such as the Teacher/School are "Failing in duty of care in not keeping my Son safe from physical & mental harm, allowing his progress in school to be affected by not adequately tackling the bullies, & that the Teacher herself is allowing her blatant personal dislike of your son to cloud her professional duty of care to him. Angry .....send to the Head & copy to the Schools Chair of govenors & the Educational welfare Officer ......

also get your Son booked in with the School counselor, sounds like he would benefit from weekly sessions to help him cope, re learn how to judge what is acceptable behaviour from both teachers & class mates (DDs veiw of what was okay & what to report became very distorted too) - the School should be able to help in putting you in touch with the counselor, if not your local CIS, or Schools health visitors - also make an appointment withe the School nurse, as she will be able to keep an eye on him, weight & stress wise etc - ours was brilliant

That might come over as over the top, but in my experience, time taken discussing & being too thoughtful of of the pressures of the teachers, other kids etc, is time wasted - at very least another meeting with the head, WITH his Dad too, & make it clear you are fighting for your Sons right to a safe & happy education, & that if you are not heard, you know how the system works & will take it as far as you need to go

Good luck I hope it works out for you & quickly :)

rockinhippy · 07/12/2010 13:06

Typo city & lost some type Blush hope it makes sense

PhishFoodAddiction · 07/12/2010 13:15

I'm so glad your son is out of that horrible environment and hope he is beginning to recover from it all.

You should be very proud of yourself, you sound like a fabulous mum, and your DS sounds lovely, I'm sure he'll thrive in a different school.

I'd still carry the complaint further if you can-as others have said, to OFSTED.

Good luck with finding a new school.

rockinhippy · 07/12/2010 13:15

Sorry just spotted your update, I'm sorry its come to that, we have a local 4 stream School who a friend had similar denial problems with, not right, but sadly if thats their attitude Angry then your DS probably is better off elsewhere.

I hope it works out for you all, & do follow up with the schools counseling service, from experience it sounds as if he will benefit greatly from it & do send your complaint to ofsted & EWO etc they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it Angry

kitbit · 07/12/2010 13:19

Number one important thing: your ds needs to feel someone is on his side so make that you and his Dad. Take him out of the school and give him love and attention. Make him feel safe.

Then go to the school and raise hell. Go to the LEA and the governors. And take his Dad with you.

Then work on making him better. Find a different school, some clubs of like minded kids, activities away from school to give him confidence.

Thankfully I'm not an expert but I do know he needs you to fight his corner for him now, the school is letting him down and his teacher needs a lesson in basic human skills Angry

ilovecrisps · 07/12/2010 13:34

Your post made me sad too so I'm glad things look brighter and your ds is happier. I wish him well.

FWIW I think that the teacher sounds like a major bully her behaviour can only have made things worse. I expect the school has had trouble with her before, doesn't have the appetite to deal with it and thinks it would be easier for you to go than sort that out.

I don't know whether I would formally complain to gov/LA etc I wouldn't expect it to get me anywhere and would be worried about needing my energy for my family.

I do wonder whether some counselling or ed psych would be useful here too.

best of luck to you both.

rockinhippy · 07/12/2010 13:37

I totally agree with the above poster :)

I took the stance with DD that it would be a good life lesson for her to see me fight the system on her behalf & win, rather than just give up & disappear quietly, I felt that would send out the wrong message to her :(

we were lucky in that we had good support from the School, but it was still a battle as their hands where tied & though doing all the right things, it was never enough, it was a MASSIVE learning curve on my part, & much more than I needed myself stress wise, but the happiness in her face the day she knew it was all over, made it more than worth it.

I can understand you can't trust fighting for your Son with a School that prefer to sweep dirt under the rug than actually deal with it & clean it up, but do complain, from my experience with DD, I feel sure just reading out a letter of appology from the EWO, Chair of Gov, Ofsted etc, will make him feel valued & go a long way to helping him recover

good luck

JamieLeeCurtis · 07/12/2010 13:39

Oh Good - you dealt with it brilliantly.

All the very best and I hope you all have a good Christmas and your son is back to himself very soon xx

becaroodolf · 07/12/2010 13:42

TFH thank you for coming back to post...I have not been able to get you and your poor ds off my mind!

As everyone else has said, you are doing the right thing.

However, I would really suggest you contact the local LA and OFSTED with your complaint.

WRT building up confidence, my ds1 (7) has found karate and beavers very helpful.

I moved my son due to bullying and lacklustre teaching/attitude and do not regret it.

He is now at a school about a third of the size and much more child focused.

Good luck to you both x

kuckingfunt · 07/12/2010 13:54

I have only just read this. Your poor DS. I was sat in tears reading about how upset he was and couldn't even imagine how he must feel abut having to go back there everyday.

I have seen though that you have decided he is not going back there, I am so relieved for you and him. Get him a new school sorted and then make an official complaint and take this as far as you can. It is not acceptable that the school have allowed this to go on and to dismiss you so easily.

Your son was so worked up and upset he said he wanted to die - I cannot believe the school have allowed the poor little boy to feel like this and not done anything about it.

Your love for your son shows through in your post and he sounds such a lovely little boy. Good luck to you with his new school. You will always be glad that you made the decision you did.

Kirk1 · 07/12/2010 14:03

Termfromhell, from dealing with officialdom, I would like to offer this one peice of practical advice. Document EVERYTHING. Write down what happened in the meeting in as impersonal terms as you can. Write up the changes in your DS's behaviour, write up every incident you can remember. You can bet the school will be doing this too, and in as distorting a way as they can to make them look better and you look bad.

If they don't offer at least an apology get the local paper involved. Local papers love to make schools look bad "Bullying drove 8-year-old to contemplate suicide" may be sensationalist and slightly exaggerating (I hope that's what it is!) but it sells papers the whole town will be on your side. It will also make the LEA pull out all stops to get your DS into a school where he will have the HT bending over backwards to make certain he's happy. LEAs and schools hate bad publicity, they get enough bad press in general without being shamed in front of their catchment area...

I'm so sad for you and your DS, no child of 8 should ever come out with the phrase "I hate my life and I want to die" that it's got to that situation with the school doing nothing is just vile.

welshbyrd · 07/12/2010 14:03

I thrilled you have decided to change DS school, this thread has been been upsetting me, and am glad you managed to update us all, put mind to rest a bit

I wish your DS a fabulous first day, and the same for the rest of his schooling years, in a new school.

Goodluck x

StayingDavidTennantsGirl · 07/12/2010 14:10

This school, the teacher and the Head sound like total nightmares, and you have done absolutely the right thing by withdrawing your child, OP. I am appalled at the way you were treated in the meeting (though I attended a similar meeting at a secondary school with my friend whose ds was being bullied there, and we had a very similar experience).

I would be making a formal complaint about the school to the LEA, and would make specific reference to the fact that they refused to treat it as a complaint - surely that is not up to them??!

Another story to encourage you - my dh was bullied at his prep school. His mother has two pictures of him on her office wall - one is a black and white picture of an obviously unhappy boy - you can tell just by looking that his mood is monochrome and sad. The other picture was taken only 6 months later, when he'd been moved to a new school by his mum (who, like you, was an amazing advocate for her son), and shows a totally different person - a happy young man, with life and brightness in his eyes, and huge confidence readily apparent.

When I first saw these two pictures, I thought that the time difference between them was several years, not just a few months. They clearly show how right dh's mum was to move him to a new school - and he never looked back.

He also learned from this that his parents would support him and back him up - and I cannot tell you what a valuable lesson that is for a child. I was bullied at school, and came home in tears to my mother, to tell her how horrible people were being, and she dismissed me so effectively that I never even considered telling her that the bullying continued for the whole of my time at comprehensive school. By 14 I was suicidal, and I am still working through the legacy of depression that those years have left me with.

I learned that my mum was not there for me. Your ds has learned the total opposite - you are his champion, and believe me he will remember that for the whole of his life - and bless you for it!!

In fairness to my mother, I should say that I recently discussed the bullying with my mum, and she thought that the fact that I never mentioned it again meant that it had stopped - she honestly thought that telling me to ignore the bullies and they'd get bored and stop, was the best thing to do - and that it had worked, because I never mentioned it again. She was horrified to hear that I had never mentioned it again because of what she'd said and how she'd said it, and even more horrified to hear I'd been suicidal.

stillbobbysgirl · 07/12/2010 14:30

Ah well done TFH - you sound like such a wonderful supportive mum! I was in tears reading about your poor lad - but it sounds like the tigress is fighting for her cub, well done to you Smile.

My mum and dad fought for me when I went through a rough time being bullied, and as the poster above says, it taught me the valuable lesson that (most of the time) goodness DOES prevail.

I hope your some finds a school that is the right fit for him with lots of cool new freinds.

For what its worth, proper club football has improved my DS1 (9) confidence by 100%.

BCBG · 07/12/2010 14:32

termfromhell just wanted to be helpful and add that this happened to my ds2. I was also bullied mercilessly at school by my entire year and those above, all because a teacher was the ringleader Angry. DS2 is now a very successful, very academically gifted AS student. What I feel I MUST add is that I would advise against asking the GP anything at this stage: your ds will already feel deep down that he is somehow 'different' and that it is somehow his fault he doesn't fit in.... and he needs to learn that the problem is with the behaviour of others, not himself. All children do things which attract the attention or irritation of their peers from time to time in daily life, but in your child's case everyone is watching for those actions, or imagining those actions or deliberately exaggerating those actions... and thereby conducting a sustained campaign of bullying. If indeed he were to have any social skills lacking then it could only be definitively identified once you have tried a move to a more nurturing environment as at the moment his responses are probably due to his treatment. By going to the GP you may actually reinforce his internal worries about not fitting in Sad.

mummytime · 07/12/2010 14:38

I would make sure you have paper records of the bullying incidents. Bullying is a very good grounds to appeal to get your son into another school. I wouldn't be so much concerned about finding a school with vacancies, as finding the right school. As he is in year 4 the infant school class size restriction doesn't apply, and some junior schools do usually go over 30 in a class. I also wouldn't be overly concerned about it being small school as long as it is a school which is caring and takes bullying seriously.

Good luck!
(I also wouldn't be bothered about the EWO, as they would probably be on your side.)