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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

OP posts:
mychildrenarebarmy · 07/12/2010 15:11

TermFromHell If you need some information or support while you are sorting out what to do next I would suggest you have a look at some home education websites. There is a lot of useful advice out there no matter how long it takes you to decide what to do next or how long he is home. In the meantime you need to make sure he is properly de-registered from the school otherwise as someone else said he will be considered as a truant. Deregister him from the school, deliver the letter by hand (getting a receipt of delivery) or signed for post. It is then the schools responsibility to inform the LEA that he has left their school. DON'T RELY ON THEM DOING IT ON WORD. If you need advice on deregisteration letter then have a look here. There are really great groups of home educators in lots of areas and you might be able to find some support from them too. It doesn't matter how long/short a time you have him at home for and the support will make all the difference.

Animation · 07/12/2010 15:38

Phew!! - Good to here you've got him out of there.

That's the first step done... and the "time out" will give him chance to recover and get his confidence back.

Xmas Smile
whoatethelastbiscuit · 07/12/2010 17:15

Just read your post and bits of peoples replies - glad to hear you have taken your poor little man out, I would have done the same, I'm sure parents would be shocked if they knew how their children were allowed to behave, we all know how it works, dc's join in rather than drawing fire themselves and the whole thing degenerates, how can the school see what they have done - what happened to duty of care?

Would definately complain to the Governor's, and head the letter as an official complaint, there must be grievance procedure?

Strongly suggest you also complain to the Chief Executive of your County Council, they will forward to the director of education and it will filter down to the right person, but it will be filtering down through important departments and not getting blocked at the bottum if you know what I mean, you won't get replies from all the layers, but you will be making people in the "layers" aware. Could complain to your MP - who would probably write to the Chief Exec anyway, and is harder to ignore.

Really sorry your child has had to go through this, if you don't stand up for him, who will, so keep the faith and stand firm, and make sure you are very careful with the choice of your next school, he might be a little fragile at first after this sad experience. And maybe tell him there are lots of mums out here that feel for him and wish him well

LivinInThe80s · 07/12/2010 18:27

so sorry to hear what you have been through, your ds's treatment by his classmates and teachers sounds appalling. well done for sticking up for him and I hope you find him a better school soon x

Dansmommy · 07/12/2010 21:08

This is a great book, perhaps a little old for your son but you can read it with him. If you google 'self esteem in children' you'll get some great ideas. But I agree with other posters...the best boost for him is having you on his side, standing up for him.

How is he now? Does it seem like a weight has been lifted from him?

Does your DS have any nice friends that can be invited round?

I think the drama classes sound excellent.

I'm a teacher, btw, with a lot of experience in pastoral care. Do feel free to PM me if I can be of any help.

Scarabeetle · 07/12/2010 21:32

Hi Term - read your first post, and your last - and I'm so relieved to read both together. My gut reaction was "GET HIM OUT OF THERE". I'm thrilled you have. You're a great mum.

NestaFiesta · 07/12/2010 21:38

Term- I would just like to add my voice to those who think like me that this is an Ofsted matter. There is no way a school like that can protect or support its present or future pupils. You'll be those pupils a favour by getting Ofsted involved. Please don't let these unfit staff carry on like that.

You sound like a great Mum and I'm so glad he's got you fighting his corner.

iwasyoungonce · 07/12/2010 21:46

Well done Termfromhell! It's so good to hear that you've taken such decisive action - your DS will thank you so much for this in years to come.

Best of luck to you for the future x

onceamai · 07/12/2010 22:01

Dear Term

Suggested action points and draft letter.

  1. Find new school, visit and interrogate first before committing.
  1. Settle your lovely boy in.
  1. Find out name of director of education at your local authority.
  1. Find out name of your local councillor and the LEA rep on the board of governors. They may be very helpful to you and may help you draft this letter to effect appropriate changes.
  1. Draft a letter addressed to director and copied to the other two along the lines of.

Dear

I am pleased to report that after a distressing autumn term ds is now settled at xxxx school. At his previous school it was established that he was working at Sats Level xxx.

DS's father and I had to remove him because of the following incidents - list in order of priority.

After an evening when my ds confided that he did not want to live any more, Ds's partner and I met with the head teacher of the school. We were extremely disappointed that our our concerns were barely acknowledged although points, x y and z of the schools bullying procedure (copy enclosed) appear to have been relevant.

Whilts I understand that it is too late to raise this issue as a formal concern and to expect an investigation where constructive feedback and action might be provided, I am sure you will be interested to note the lack of support received by our 8 year old son and ourselves in securing a safe and worthwhile learning environment for him. I hope you will appreciate that our first priority had to be to remove our son from a negative and destructive environment.

I am pleased to report that we are being supported by ds's new headteacher and that he appears to be settling well at his new school.

I note that DS's previous school was last inspected by Ofsted on ...... I trust you will appreciate that I think it is appropriate that I have copied this letter to the Ofsted Inspectors responsible for the last inspection.

It is a great relief that DS now appearst to be much happier and is beginning to progress at school in line with his anticipated achievement levels.

If there is anything you wish to discuss further with me, please don't hesitate to contact me on the number below. I would naturally be happy to meet with you at a mutally convenient time to provide additional information.

Yours sincerely

OP

PS: The details of the Ofsted Inspectors will be published on the report.

Good Luck and hugs and best wishes to DS.

YOU HAVE MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE. Have a fab Christmas.

Kbear · 07/12/2010 22:59

May the rest of his school days be happy ones!

spiderlight · 07/12/2010 23:06

Oh, thank goodness for parents like you! I've thought about your lad many times over the past few days and I'm so relieved that he won't have to go back there. Hoping for an update soon about his lovely new school and all his new friends :o

KangarooCaught · 07/12/2010 23:33

Well done, TFH, am so relieved on behalf of your lovely boy. As I said before, in a good school they will welcome him with open arms and see him as an asset to their class.

The HT and teacher response didn't surprise me, tbh, and they will see ds' departure as a problem gone. I do hope you make a formal complaint, so-called 'teachers' such as those two are a stain on the profession.

GoodDaysBadDays · 07/12/2010 23:55

Thanks for the update and so pleased your ds is already seeming happier with your decision to take him out of the school.

Am Angry but not surprised with their response.

Agree with others who have said to put it in writing and take it further.

Well done TermfromHell Smile

IWantToBeAFairyWhenIGrowUp · 08/12/2010 00:02

I'm so relieved to read your update.

Have a lovely Christmas Xmas Smile

Doobydoo · 08/12/2010 12:09

Also relievedSmile
If you log on to EDUCATION OTHERWISE.they have heaps of info and a sample letter to send to your Local Education Authority.
All the best to you and your ds.You have done the right thing.

santadefiesgravity · 08/12/2010 12:14

Sorry am at work so not time to read all posts.

GET THE HELL OUT OF THAT SCHOOL!

Your poor, poor little boy.

Dh was horribly bullied, ended up with an eating disorder. Do whatever it takes, he needs his confidence building back up again.

Keep him home and cuddle him - LOTS.

Sorry can't be more constructive.

TermFromHell · 25/01/2011 23:05

Hi all! I thought it was about time I gave you all an update after all the lovely advice and support I was given here before Christmas!!!

After an extended Christmas break (which was fantastic, btw)! my DS is now in his second week at his new school. And so far it's all going great (fingers crossed it stays this way)!!!!!

His new school is a little, one form entry school with fantastic pastoral care and a specialist SEN unit (which has referrals from all over the borough). DS is currently being assessed (so far the feedback has been that he's exceptionally bight and equally as lazy, so he seems like a pretty normal 8 and half year old to me!) Grin The school is within the same area (luckily) but slightly further afield. It's not considered quite as good results/Ofsted wise as his old school but do you know what? I don't care! The pastoral care so far looks be excellent and we've got the academic side of things covered here at home (I'm a very strict mum on things like manners and homework!) - plus he's getting along like a dream!!!

His class is boy heavy this time (in his old school there were about 19 girls to 11 boys - this class seems to be the opposite of that). All the lads have been really friendly and welcoming and they all play 'it' and footy at playtime. He's been reeling off names of all these lads and the funny things they've been doing. Also, being a smaller school, they often play with children older and younger with no problems whatsoever. It's early days but it looks to be a lovely atmosphere for him at last! There is one last bit of magic though, that I still can't quite believe myself.....

.....As it turns out, my DS's best friend from outside of school (my DP's best man's son) actually started at the same school in the same class on the same day!!!!! We had absolutely NO IDEA that they were planning on moving him there (very sudden, also) and vice versa it would seem until a couple of days before they both started. They're only two weeks apart in age and have always gotten on famously (as do our respective families - long time friends!) so to have them in the same class together is dream come true!!! The fact that they each had each other as a buddy on their first day was lovely and they've already got a secret handshake and everything!!!!! Grin I'm so made up for DS - his confidence is soaring and it's so great to see the smile back on his face again....! How about that, aye?!?!?!

As for the old lot - well my son managed to leave with some dignity in the end as he's had several phone-calls from old classmates, who have obviously decided he wasn't that bad after all Hmm (one girl was obviously secretly sweet on him, as she's left several messages singing down the answer machine!) Grin

After speaking to some other mothers (and DS's old childminder), it has become apparent that his old teacher really is a witch! I feel vindicated!!! She has form for singling out a couple of kids every year and humiliating them by the sounds of it - leading to some really devastating outcomes. :( I'm going to catch up with one mum over half term to share experiences and to see if there's anything we can do about this woman. We'll be stronger as a unit. When I went to hand deliver DS's de-registration letter to the old school, the head really mucked up by admitting (in her obvious shock) that the mother of another child from the same class had announced their intention to leave the very same morning. They must have had some number of complaints about this woman now - lets hope they actually do something. She needs re-training at the very least.....

But I'll never forget all the kind words and support I received on here during such a difficult time - thank you all so much! (I also cannot believe the amount of typos in my OP - in my defence I was really distressed)!!! I feel overjoyed at how things have been working out so far - DS really is much more suited to a smaller (and simpler) school and so happy that he's happy! My friends/ family have said that my relief is palpable!!!

I will have to get this thread deleted tomorrow, as there is too much on here that will identify me in RL. But I'll leave it up for the night just in case any one is interested in the turn-out. Once again, may thanks to all of you.....xxx

OP posts:
LaWeaselMys · 25/01/2011 23:11

That's fantastic news, Term, really pleased for you and your DS Grin

LBsmum · 25/01/2011 23:11

What a fab outcome, wishing you and DS all the best in the new school

mumbar · 25/01/2011 23:12

Excellent news Grin

Much different 'tone' from your OP - your happiness is radiating. Smile

Best of luck for the future to you and DS.

IHeartKingThistle · 25/01/2011 23:13

Oh I'm so glad I saw this tonight! What a wonderful update.

I was in tears when I read your OP and I'm welling up now, but for different reasons! You've done a wonderful thing for your son.

bubblewrapped · 25/01/2011 23:14

Brilliant for you both :)

onceamai · 25/01/2011 23:15

Brilliant - good luck - hope he soars from here.

manicbmc · 25/01/2011 23:21

I wasn't a member here in December but have read back and am so glad you got a lovely new school for your ds.
Smile

Magna · 25/01/2011 23:21

So pleased for you all. Thank you for updating Grin.