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DS wants to be a princess

274 replies

MrsKitty · 01/12/2010 18:16

Nursery are having a 'superheros & princesses' themed dressing up day next week for charity.

DS (3.10) wants to be a princess. AIBU to agree that he can be? Grin.

I think it's rather sweet personally. DH not convinced.

OP posts:
spikeycow · 01/12/2010 20:20

I will read your comment DM you lovely person.
No fan club for me Sad Just various mates here and there.

spikeycow · 01/12/2010 20:20

Shirleyknot you don't mean it. You just like the catcunt thing Grin. Now that was nuts, truly

spikeycow · 01/12/2010 20:22

That's what it was Sue. Always shave. Tis part of my gender binary ting

SuePurblybiltByElves · 01/12/2010 20:26

[hgrin] I will try to remember that.

Kaloki · 01/12/2010 20:27

Tiggy I don't think we've spoken before, just seen your posts on here :)

No fan club Spikey? You mean I was scammed when I paid for membership?? Shock

SuePurblybiltByElves · 01/12/2010 20:29

Oh shazbut. Xmas Grin

ShirleyKnot · 01/12/2010 20:30

You are a member of MN History now though Spikey.

melezka · 01/12/2010 20:32

Ok. Well. Attempting to bypass the argument but not confident...

DS (nearly 11) has preferred dressing up (as opposed to dressing) as a girl since he was about 2. Whenever there is an opportunity, he is in a dress and preferably high heels. (no not the heels when he was 2.) And I really, truly, didn't think much of it. Sometimes DH and I used to smile wryly and tell ourselves he was gay, and I used to laugh at myself as Edina in AbFab, (nb this is a JOKE based on an understanding of what other people's assumptions would be!) but he got no stick at school and i was brought up not to think it was a problem, all my subsequent life experience and training said it wasn't a problem, etc etc. Also he always seems to have a girlfriend, so I'm trying not to assume I won't have to make way for another female...

We moved over the summer and he returned to his old mates for a birthday party sleepover in his new dress. All the kids from his old school ran out to meet him, calling his name, delighted to see him, nobody even NOTICED the dress as an issue. He wore it all sleepover and it was just a part of him.

But over the summer his SS had a birthday party which she said was going to be dress-up. He planned his dress carefully - but when we got there we discovered nobody had bothered (this is not allowed where i come from, btw, dress up is dress up and no bloody arguments). He was GUTTED and I had to give him my trousers to wear - which were miles too big - and I had to wear his dress (do NOT ask). He knew it would be noticed by his SS's circle of friends and other family.

And at his new school - where the incidence, say, of neck tattoos is far higher than at his previous one (which I should point out did have a very high proportion of VERY entrenched views of one kind or another)he went to his Hallowe'en disco as the Corpse Bride - of course - and just got trouble all evening for it.

I guess the thing for us is that he has shown a clear preference from an early age for a particular style of dressing. It's only now that it's become a problem for him, and it wouldn't be if we were still living in the place we were before. We have bought him David Walliam's book 'The Boy in the Dress', for Christmas, and we discuss the fact that the 'problem' is entirely with other people, and he accepts this. This is something which is visible and obvious, but there are plenty of other things, subtle differences, that other people will pick up on and have a go at because of. Part of preparing children for being adults is helping them to be striong, to be themselves, in the face of lack of understanding, and yes, even hostility from those who do not understand and who are horrible to difference. Not to avoid argument and dissention at any cost. It's not the first time your child will face the chance of other kids (and parents) being horrible. That can happen at any time. The real question for you is how you pick your battles, and how you deal with the fallout. if you don't think he's up for it, and you are not up for it, don't let him wear the dress. if you think it's time to explain a bit about the inexplicability of people, and/or you think his sense of self is strong enough, let him wear the dress. It's not about normal or not normal, it's about development.

spikeycow · 01/12/2010 20:33

OK I admit it. 5 quid to join. Thisisyesterday? Sparkle12? keeva? Wanna join

EdgarAllenSnow · 01/12/2010 20:35

YANBU. my DS wore fairy wings today. he loved them.

it's a nursery, not an army camp.

usualsuspect · 01/12/2010 20:37

melezka..great post

DirtyMartini · 01/12/2010 20:38

Is there a newsletter Spikey? Like the Puffin Club?

spikeycow · 01/12/2010 20:40

No. All you get is hassle having to follow my trouble making ass all over this Godforsaken website. Sorry, no refunds

spikeycow · 01/12/2010 20:42

Er, OP? Where are you by the way.

Kaloki · 01/12/2010 20:48

Thank you for that melezka

Actually you've reminded me of something, when I was born my mum wanted to call me Storm, but dad talked her out of it because it was so unusual that I would be bullied for it. So, basically the same reasons given for a boy not wearing a tutu. So I went to school with a normal name - and got bullied so badly from the age of 6 onwards that I started self harming.

And yet when I deliberately started dressing differently and making myself stand out that I felt comfortable. I still got some abuse, sure, but as it was something I chose for myself it was easier to find the strength to rise above it. And consequently got more respect for it.

Learning to be me and be strong about it was far more useful to me than desperately trying to conform. One gave me strength, one broke me down.

And that I guess is why I am so against stopping kids expressing themselves in whatever way they like, if it makes them happy then it is better for them to do it and stand up to the bullies who think it isn't "appropriate", than to spend their life in fear of drawing attention to themselves.

And yes, if you say to a child "don't wear that, society doesn't like it" then you aren't going to be doing much to help them. You might avoid a little aggro from others, but create turmoil inside.

mysticflayme · 01/12/2010 20:49

kind of butting in here but this thread really got to me! Children of any gender and any age should be allowed (and encouraged) to wear whatever they like. and not only that they should be reassured that it is ok, in fact admirable, to be themselves. and if themselves if different then that is all the better, too many boring sheep in the world already!

Kaloki · 01/12/2010 20:49

Think you scared her off spikey Wink

mrsruffallo · 01/12/2010 20:58

If my son had turned up at his preschool(aged 3) dressed as a girl it would definitely have been noticed and commented upon (by the other children).

mysticflayme · 01/12/2010 20:59

why is wearing a dress 'dressing like a girl'? does that means girls who wear jeans and t-shirt are 'dressing like boys?'

Kaloki · 01/12/2010 21:05

Well said mysticflayme.

I suggest anyone who has boys who like skirts and dress etc teach them about the flappers in the 20's and the huge difference they made to the way women were allowed to act. Teach them that clothing is just fabric, and has no gender built into it.

mrsruffallo · 01/12/2010 21:10

I think taking your son out in a skirt and blouse says far more about your own agenda than
your child's or that of society in general.

crazygracieuk · 01/12/2010 21:11

Depends where you live.

Round here someone definitely would have said something. I heard a 3 year old tell a 2 year old that his scooter was for girls because it was pink. If you live in a more affluent lentil knitting area then I would go for it until he was at big school.

For what it's worth I wouldn't send my 9 year old son out in a tutu either and feel like there are some posters who try to outdo each other in trying to come across as perfect. Even if parents are open minded about this sort of thing I'd bet good money that their 9 year old children probably aren't.

In an ideal world people should wear what they want and not be judged. My 9 year old would dress in a tutu and makeup at home for a laugh but if he wanted to go out in it, I would warn him to brace himself for teasing and negative comments because he would definitely get them.

WishItCouldBeShirleyEveryDay · 01/12/2010 21:11

Do me a favour

whoknowswhatthefutureholds · 01/12/2010 21:12

my ds2 often dresses up as the princess at nursery (and we live in the manchester, the oposite of posh spikey) and he tells me that oner of the boys told him that boys cant be princesses, and he said that he likes being one.

end of.

Anyway it's good to learn to ignore the shit that over kids say.

They will pick on anything that is different so why not learn to defend yourself and not care early on.

Kaloki · 01/12/2010 21:13

mrsruffallo So in your opinion no child is able to choose their own clothes?

Wonders what the responses would have been if someone had said "my son has told he is gay, should I let him tell people or should he hide it in case people are homophobic?"