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AIBU?

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365 replies

newwave · 22/11/2010 21:46

I am a regular exerciser and tend to watch my diet so when a friend of mine who had not been to the gym for a very long time called me and asked me if I was going on Saturday I said yes and she said she would see me there. This surprised me as at one time she had been a regular but had stopped about three years ago saying that at 47 she had grown fed up with the gym and dieting.

Later I asked her why she was back and she said her DH of over 25 years had said: "I didn?t marry you to end up with a fat blob and you need to sort yourself out" bit harsh I suppose but she had ballooned from a trim 10 to a wobbly 16.

She told me he had been getting upset about her size for a while and admitted it was due to getting a bit lazy.

I consoled her said the right things but AIBU in thinking her DH had a point.

BTW her DH is very fit for a man in his fifties, running, and golf. Still plays football.

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newwave · 23/11/2010 00:47

Brecon, read the posts, I have been nothing but supportive of her whilst thinking her DP has a very badly put point.

As I said.I am the one who will be at her side giving encouregment to her as she sets out on her path and if she tells me she does not want to carry on later I will support her in that as well, I will however have my opinion on the matter which will never be uttered to her.

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newwave · 23/11/2010 00:47

Brecon, read the posts, I have been nothing but supportive of her whilst thinking her DP has a very badly put point.

As I said.I am the one who will be at her side giving encouregment to her as she sets out on her path and if she tells me she does not want to carry on later I will support her in that as well, I will however have my opinion on the matter which will never be uttered to her.

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newwave · 23/11/2010 00:49

AF no thanks I have had a Magnum whilst posting on here. :)

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BreconBeBuggered · 23/11/2010 00:55

If someone agreed that I had 'ended up a fat blob', I wouldn't be that chuffed, to be honest, newwave. Fortunately for me my DH actively prefers the curvier lady so if you'll excuse me I'm going to finish up my wine and go to bed.

newwave · 23/11/2010 01:04

There have been acusations of bitchiness tonight, have anyone of you not seen a friend or colleague in a dress or outfit and thought "I dont like that" BUT NOT SAID ANYTHING or EVEN SAID YOU LIKED IT when asked. How can having negative thoughts be bitchy ffs

Goodnight all

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Saggyoldclothcatpuss · 23/11/2010 01:29

Let herself go!!! Some friend you are. Maybe she has let herself go because her dh humiliates her by making remarks like these. Maybe she has low self esteem because she has friends like you who judge her on her size.
I'm glad you aren't my friend.

mayorquimby · 23/11/2010 01:48

there's two points to consider really.
Fromm one aspect I understand his point, I don't know how I'd react if my OH went up that amount in weight but I doubt I'd find it attractive as I've never been attracted to bigger women. And being attracted to someone is surely important in almost any relationship.
Which brings us on to the second point to be considered. How would I react/handle the situation? Well I certainly wouldn't call her a fat mess and tell her she needed to 'sort herself out'. He sounds like a prick tbf.

TheShriekingHarpy · 23/11/2010 02:18

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thelibster · 23/11/2010 02:49

"being bitchy is making remarks not having an opinion, for example thinking someone looks awful in a dress is an opinion saying it to her face or to someone else is bitchy, so no not bitchy at all." Actually, I think not telling a friend that she doesn't look good in something is, if not bitchy, being a bit of a bitch imo. If I thought that a friend "looked awful" in a dress I'd find the opportunity to tell her, in as nice a way as possible of course, not "you look awful" Shock but more, "I don't think that dress is quite 'you', it doesn't do you justice" I'd feel horrible if I really thought she looked awful and I just thought it and didn't say it and just let her think I thought she looked good.

I would kill to be a size 16 though! Nuff said.

thelibster · 23/11/2010 02:54

Should have added especially if I knew it was important to her to look her best, for whatever reason, on that occasion.

fruitstick · 23/11/2010 07:34

Not saying you didn't like her dress is not bitchy. Coming on an Internet forum to say what a dogs dinner she looks is.

You didn't come on here asking for opinions because you have batted away the majority of people who say YABU.

You may have been supportive to your friend's face but your underlying beliefs are not painting you in a good light at all.

I suggest you go back and think about what we're saying without immediately coming up with reasons why we're 'just plain wrong'

Off you trot.

ConstanceFelicity · 23/11/2010 07:45

Her husband is a nob. YOu're not BU to agree she needs to lose some weight, but I don't see what you're getting (except for a sense of gloating gym-happiness) you are getting from posting it on the net.

clam · 23/11/2010 08:17

You believe she's "let herself go" as she has gained some weight.
Tell me this: I am 5'8" and a size 16, fit, healthy and seldom ill. I take great care with my hair, makeup and what I'm wearing.
My friend is 5'6" a size 8, spends a ridiculous large amount of time in the gym, usually wears tracky bottoms and a baggy Tshirt, with no makeup and hair scraped into a ponytail.
Which one of us, on paper, has let herself go?

StewieGriffinsMom · 23/11/2010 08:30

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fortyplus · 23/11/2010 09:37

clam - neither of you - you just have a different outlook. That sort of attitude would make you no better than the op

Portofino · 23/11/2010 09:45

I'm with SGM on this one! If one of my friends saw me in such shallow terms, I wouldn't want them as my friend!

mayorquimby · 23/11/2010 09:52

Just out of interest is there any good way to address this issue with an OH?
A lot of people are saying that the op/dh in this situation are shallow gits, now while I'm not disagreeing with that per se, I'm just wondering how you'd advise someone who was with a partner who had let themselves go in the weight department.
Surely being attracted to someone is vital for a relationship. And what if they are, as many people have suggested on this thread, happy in their body/not bothered about putting on a bit of weight? what then? Should a partner just accept this for fear of being branded shallow? If he were to leave her would he be seen as a dick?
Sorry for a slight hi-jack, I'm just genuinely interested in how people may have handled this or think it should be handled.
And seeing as we're all pretty much agreed that the OP is not being the greatest friend and the womans dh is a cock there's not much more to say in response to the op.

Squitten · 23/11/2010 10:07

Christ - you really are full of yourself aren't you? What makes you feel more superior: patronising your "fat" friend by supporting her crappy self image and encouraging her to change herself to please her twat of a husband, or patronising her by "supporting" her decision to remain "fat" when she eventually gets sick of the gym, whilst secretly thinking that her twat of a husband is right?

Poor woman really needs better friends...

fruitstick · 23/11/2010 10:07

MQ, as I said, both DH and I have both put on about 2 stone in the last 5 years. I think we would both agree that we would find the other more attractive if we lost a bit of weight, but actually we like our lifestyle a bit too much to do it.

However, if I were to want someone to encourage me to lose weight (even if they were thinner than me), I think boosting their self-esteem is the greatest idea, if they feel better about themselves they are more likely to be encouraged to make changes.

For example, DH bought me some lovely (and well fitting) underwear for my birthday and, since then, I have made far more effort with me hair removal, exfoliating, general declothed self (sorry, that maybe too much information Grin.

Likewise, I tend to eat biscuits and crap if I'm tired or run down.

Therefore, if you want her to make changes to her lifestyle I suggest you do it yourself! Cook her some delicious, low calorie food, suggest you both go on walks, bike rides at the weekend.

Spa weekend maybe? You can see where I'm going with this can't you Grin Grin.

In short, if you feel that she is no longer making an effort to look attractive and you feel that is part of a wider complacency about your relationship (I feel this about DH shitting with the door open) then that is one thing, but if she is attractive and puts effort into your relationship, but just happens to be bigger than she was - then yes, you are being shallow.

I have to say, I do really feel for women (and men) who feel their appearance is their best asset ..... because it will always fade.

I have never been a size 10/12 (well maybe as a child) so I am confident that DH is not the type of man to be hung up on how much I weigh. Not that he doesn't care what I look like, just that he doesn't see weight as being the defining factor.

PamelaFlitton · 23/11/2010 10:29

MQ I think it's fine to tactfully mention it, even if it might be difficult for them to hear. I would rather my DP was honest, but only if it was something I could actually change like clothes or weight. If it was something I couldn't change then there wouldn't be much point in telling me.

WriterofDreams · 23/11/2010 10:51

MQ I would be a bit shocked if my DH found me less attractive because I put on weight. I don't find him attractive because of what he looks like (even though he is fit and gorgeous!) but because of who he is. What turns me on is the way he treats me and how I feel about him, not the visual impact of him, which of course changes and fades over time.

If I felt he was unhappy and that's why he had put on weight then I would want to do something about it as that would affect the dynamic of our relationship. But weight alone means nothing and I would be incredibly hurt if DH implied that because of my weight I was no longer good enough for him and that he might stray. I would hope I was worth more than that.

mayorquimby · 23/11/2010 11:04

"MQ I would be a bit shocked if my DH found me less attractive because I put on weight. I don't find him attractive because of what he looks like (even though he is fit and gorgeous!) but because of who he is. What turns me on is the way he treats me and how I feel about him, not the visual impact of him, which of course changes and fades over time."

That's interesting. So do you essentially you put no importance on physical attraction?
What about in the initial phases, were you always attracted to personality over looks? (sorry reading that in type it looks a bit rude, and it's honestly not intended that way. I'm not sure how to word it and I'm genuinely interested.)

It's just that I would have thought most relationships start on physical attraction and I couldn't imagine being in a relationship with someone who I wasn't first and foremost physically attracted to.
Suppose it's just different strokes for different folks. My OH would probably be more in your line of thinking I'd imagine (although that may just be my own personal body issues at play, she's never suggested as much).

Hullygully · 23/11/2010 11:22

I think it's perfectly fair. If my dh ate and sat around his way into slobby fatness I'd be cross. And I'd understand if he was cross with me.

It's yuk.

midori1999 · 23/11/2010 15:03

"MQ I would be a bit shocked if my DH found me less attractive because I put on weight. I don't find him attractive because of what he looks like (even though he is fit and gorgeous!) but because of who he is. What turns me on is the way he treats me and how I feel about him, not the visual impact of him, which of course changes and fades over time. "

I agree with this entirely. When I met my DH I wasn't really attracted by his looks, I was firstly attracted by his personality and after that found his physically attractive.

Being entirely honest, DH has a little (and not much he has to stay fit for his job) extra weight around his middle these days, he also has a receeding hairline. I have no doubt he would look better without these things but they don't make him less attractive to me at all.

PamelaFlitton · 23/11/2010 16:21

Yeah but men are much more motivated by visual things.