In thinking that Wagner wasn't all wrong about Cheryl?

[cupcakesandbunting]

When he said she is a council estate girl who got lucky?

Nothing wrong with coming from a council estate, I lived on one myself for most of my childhood. But she didn't get where she is now on talent or charisma so old Vargener hit the nail on the head with that one, oy finks.

Daddyoh that site's not v. interesting and what's it got to do with Wagner and Cheryl Cole.

cupcakes, lots of people make silly choices when they are young - it affects the rest of their working lives.

Wayne Rooney has to contend with the granny-hooker business being thrown up at regular intervals. For one example.

Listen. The only reason people forget Chezza is a rough lout from Bigg Market is because she is pwetty with fluttewy eyewashes. People are easily bought.

UQD - you were the one making the argument, it's up to you to bring up supporting facts.

OK then - Kerry Katona and her cocaine hell. Will always be raised in interviews, rightly.

jade Goody - when ashe was alive she qwould always be asked questions re her racism and bullying. Again, rightly.

Tony Blair - questions will always be asked about his illegal war.

And stop being so tetchy. Or we will have to start with the mid life crisis cliches jokes.

Hello Cupcakes you evil bitch.

I agree with you and getorfmoiland as well.

I had a lovely girl crush of CC for a while. I wanted to be friends with her and plait her hair for her and stroke her lovely arms and that. Nothing too sexual.

But I've gorn right off her lately.

Difference is that Jade Goody was ugly and inarticulate, so fits everyone's view of what a bully is.

Chez is pretty and dainty, does not look like someone capable of punching.

I bet Cheryl would be aces at dirty looks and giggling behind your back bullying.

CAT me Shirley and you can call me that TO MY FACE. I'll make you look like that toilet cleaner if you don't watch it, pet.

I liked her in the first two series too, Shirls. I imagined what she smelled like and wanted her to take me for a neet on the toon. She's started to believe her own hype now and the backlash is beginning, unfortunately for her.

Don't be mean to UQD. I'd be the same if people were ripping Jason oranges tbf. Not that anyone could rip into him because he is perfect.

Anyway, women miss the point that lots of us like Chezza's chavviness (so nurr). If I want a classy bird I'll start having some nice thoughts about Joanna Lumley or that Rachel off Countdown.

Oh GOD cupcakes, didn't you know that they stopped the CAT facility, it's called private messaging now.

Bet you still wear bootcut jeans,you're so past it.

I love you cupcakes. I love you more than salt, and I like salt A LOT

Her face just looked all bitchy and nasty and I just thought "What the fricking Jeff is going on here then?" and that nasty little fake smile thing she did when Wagner tried to smooth things over. Yuk.

Jason Orange is shit though?

I'm not being mean to UQD - I think he's great.

I know I can get away with slagging off Chez in his presence. I would cop it if i started on Sarah harding though.

Yeah, cupcakes like Jason Orange and everyone nkows he was the shittest one in Take That.

I love you too, Shirls. You follow me about here like a lezzer on heat but oy loves yer.

Jason Orange was crafted by God from the finest marble. And he's clever. And he wrote and sang Wooden Boat. I'm sure we could be good together if I still had my cock.

Wooden Boat?

Did you see NOTDOCTOR Gillian do a big faint last night?

(I was drunk and did watch it but had to watch in on youtube about 10 times this morning as it was just )

Yeah, I've got Harding's back. She is a fucking goddess so don't start :)

Was it SH who did a poo in her pants while she was on stage?

Shirley, I think you are confusing her with that terribly classy pant-wetter Fergie Out Of Tha Black Eyed Peas.

Oh no, wait, I'm confusing her with that Beddingfield one. She apparantly did a poo in her pants once too. Cocaine linked pooage I think. APPARANTLY.

God, it's all poo in the pants in the glamourous world of the celebrity isn't it?

Harding is alright. I'd go for a beer with her.

Can't watch the Jungle programme. I did want to watch because I love Shaun Ryder but the eating insects thing.

No, I never watch it either - I was staying at DP's house last night, and he loves it the massive loser so I was forced to watch it last night and Saturday night as well.

And anyway, Gillian McKeith, as it turns out is a total maniac, and she keeps doing this fakey fainting thing and last night she did it and HA HA HA. I never liked her anyway.

she did a poo in the pants on stage? That's minging.Good job she wasn't going commando

Christ, I have never tried cocaine but if that's what it does to you (on stage pant shitting exploits) I am sticking with the Lambrini.

I love Jason Orange. He was the only one out of Take That I used to like (back in the 5th form in mid 90s, I sneered at all the Take Twat fans whilst feeling superior in my nirvana t shirt. whislt secretly fancying Jason O).

Was gutted when I discovered he was gay (about 2006)

yes fakey faint was hilarious. Me and ds have been practising it.

Jason O is gay is he? Wasn't he shacked up for a bit with that presenter - Jenny Powell?