In thinking that Wagner wasn't all wrong about Cheryl?

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When he said she is a council estate girl who got lucky?

Nothing wrong with coming from a council estate, I lived on one myself for most of my childhood. But she didn't get where she is now on talent or charisma so old Vargener hit the nail on the head with that one, oy finks.

I don't necessarily think she got lucky - she evidently has a brain on her and has been incredibly canny in her career choices. She also works hard, which i always respect.

However I cannot respect anyone who has punched someone so hard they were convicted of assault. I think punching someone hard enough to injure them is a low, despicable and nasty thing to do, and says a lot about a person. I don't care that it was years ago. If I was convicted of assault years ago my career would have been over. So I don't think it is as easy as saying 'get over it'

She grew up in a rough area, as did I, and one of these effects of growing up around violence is that I utterly despise anyone who is violent as an adult - fights in pubs etc absoluitely make me sick.

So yes, in my eyes Cheryl is scum. I didn't watch the Piers Morgan weepathon however did she make any mention of her assault? Did she mention any regret that she injured someone and got convicted of it? Or was it all weeping and wailing about her near death experience?

DP slags of Chezza every week, he is like a camp bitchy queen saying stuff like 'oh my GOD what on earth is that bit of polyester tat she is wearing this week?'

Let's be honest, she is a pretty girl but she does look cheap.

I don't resent her for the assault. She was young and made a silly choice. I don't think much of her for not apologising, though.

She wasn't that young when she walloped someone - 19 wasn't she?

She punched someone hard - i am sure if someone punched you hard enough in the kisser you wouldn't excuse them 'oh she was only young'.

It is pretty inexcusable I think.

Still, I shudder when I think of stuff I did when I was nineteen (didn't involve givng anyone a smack in the teeth though) I just think that most of us as adults wouldn't identify with our nineteen year old selves.

My mum had a scrap when she was 17 and got done for socking someone in the face (she said it was self-defence and I believe her) but she's a 54 year old granny now. She's really embarrassed about it.

I just don't think that she should be beaten so hard for a wreckless thing that she did as a teenager when there are so many other things not to like about her

That is true.

We could spend a few hours on the Shaders and Toners dye job at least

And her 'oh so serious' face on challenging parts of X factor.

That dye jobs is terrible. It looks the the same Autumn Russet that Rita Fairclough used in Corrie in the Alan Bradley got ran over by the tram era.

I liked her thoughtful nodding last night when the heroes were on butchering that David Bowie song. I think she'd been practicing it in the mirror.

People love her mainly because she is so pretty. We are drawn to people who are beautiful. Why? Biology, I am not sure. I was at school with a girl who looked like her she had our head of year fawning at her feet (a tough man to influence but influence she did) as well as every male in a 10 male radius.

Being worshipped gives you confidence and confidence begets confidence and so on and so forth.

The assault conviction wasn't mentioned in the PM interview, but it was in quite a few at the time when it was still recent... a rather awkward Frank Skinner interview springs to mind.

I expect you all still want every interview with Russell Brand to focus on his telephone idiocy with Andrew Sachs's granddaughter. OR every Grace Jones interview to be about the time she smacked Russell Harty with her handbag...? Or every Leslie Grantham interview to be about the crime in the 1960s for which he served his sentence?...

Ud- if an interview purported to cover someone's life then i'd expect it mentioned

After all how cold you cover RB's life without mentioning the Sachs thing?

market is as celeb chats if that's what it is (it is) but 'life story' should cover one's life

Aw jeez, even if it is just luck, then, so what? If any of you guys got that lucky can you tell me honestly that you'd go "no thanks, I'm not talented or deserving enough. Give this fab opportunity to someone else"?

UQD - no I don't give a monkey's about Grace Jones handbagging Russel Harty (how old are you UQD for remembering that? ) or the Russell Brand non-story. They weren't violent crimes.

However Leslie Grantham was convicted for murder, so no i wouldn't brush that under the carpet either. I think if you commit a violent crime then yes, people should be free to mention it for the rest of your life. If you are that much of a vile prick that you smack people if provoked, well yes that should be remembered.

Dirty Den is a convicted murderer? I don't think I knew that. Eugh.

I'm more repulsed by the image lasered onto my brain of him naked on webcam, tossing off for some random on the internet.

The interview was meant to be about the last year, mainly.

Why is there all this desperate dancing in circles to have a go at CC? Women are their own worst enemies sometimes...

Not while men rule the world they aren't.

Also, I wasn't asking people to pick apart those particular examples specifically. That rather misses the point. They were just three of any number of examples I could have given.

Oh dear, did Dirty Den really toss off on the interweb?

How frightfully unedifying.

I'm with Getorf. I think if you committed a violent crime at some stage in yourlife, then it does need to be mentioned at every interview about your life that you do.

I always used to feel absolutely disgusted by the celebrity status of Jack the Hat and McVicar. As if the fact that they were murderers, FGS, was rather glamorous rather than utterly vile.

Oh come on UQD, you have been on here long enough to know that 'you women are your own worst enemy sometimes' is a pretty daft thing to say.

Isn't the PM series called 'Life Stories'? And isn't a criminal conviction rather a major part of your life?

We could also say UQD that you are having a bit of a desperate fandango of your own to defend (at all costs) all members of girls aloud from the frightening mumsnet hordes

Ooh, I rather think that Cheryl does a dis-service to us women quite well by herself, actually.

Anyway, these conversations go nowhere... suppose I'd better go off and carry on ruling the world now

"Also, I wasn't asking people to pick apart those particular examples specifically. That rather misses the point. They were just three of any number of examples I could have given"

If you hadn't made such stupid examples we wouldn't feel the need to pick them apart. Frankly.

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Give some better examples then rather than slagging mine off. That would be a little more constructive.

DaddyOh, stop touting your frankly SHIT blog here.