In thinking that Wagner wasn't all wrong about Cheryl?

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When he said she is a council estate girl who got lucky?

Nothing wrong with coming from a council estate, I lived on one myself for most of my childhood. But she didn't get where she is now on talent or charisma so old Vargener hit the nail on the head with that one, oy finks.

Cheryl was found not guilty on the race charge Nancy66, just thought I'd mention that in the context of your comment.

And she was found guilty and did her community service. Some people will have done things they equally want to forget in their youth. Get. Over It.

wubbly - indeed, guilty of assault, not of racism.

Yes, I'm sure I'd want to conveniently forget assaulting someone

if you punch somebody in the face - you're scum. that's it as far as I'm concerned.

She's now scrubbed up scum

What's "convenient" about it? She was found guilty and did her community service. Are you suggesting there is some further punishment to come which was not applied at the time? It was seven years ago. Can't you find something else to talk about??

do you really think that her career should have ended over that one incident? i am curious. i don't doubt that it was wrong, of course, but what are the circumstances otherwise where someone ought to lose their entire career because they punch someone? i think lawyers can't practise, but then they are warned about that a lot at uni. lawyers and pop stars - who else?

I suppose teachers.

So you don't believe in the possibility of redemption, change, rehabilitation nancy?

Better keep all criminals in prison forever then, because they're all scum forever.

do they? or would that only be for assaulting a pupil?

teachers, pop stars, lawyers...

I would say old people's carers, they shouldn't be allowed to practice after a violent assault

Why aren't lawyers allowed to? They don't generally go in for fisticuffs in chambers do they?

I just hate the face she has never apologised for it and is now treated like some national treasure.

She can't sing, dresses like a hooker and comes across as being horrible bitchy on X Factor...can't see the appeal at all.

I would have liked to have seen Cheryls face if Cher for instance waited until being judged and said 'so Cheryl it says in the papers that you have called me 'hard work' and 'stroppy'....'

She should know that shit is put in the press just to get people to read/watch.
It was unprofessional and rude, something that could have been addressed easily back stage, i think Wagner did well to defend himself and i feel sorry for him. He is standing in front of the owrld week anfter week being booed, mocked and put down buy the public.

it's not really who shouldn't, it's who actually aren't. clearly there is no legislation covering pop stars in actuality, they just come under the general banner of citizens of the country. i believe special exception is made for lawyers by the law society, which can disbar them from practising should they be found guilty of breaking the law (presumably because they of all people can't say 'i didn't know it was illegal, guv'. but that may even just be a quaint scottish thing).

aaaah, the public, titsalina. who are they? everyone but us, it would seem.

I am the public, i don't mock him or put him down, i feel sorry for him, although i did weep a bit when he did Hey Jude as its one of my favourite songs... I felt the same about the Jedwards last year... bloody Louis Walsh what does he do to these people?!

the thing is the judges did put him through initially..of course it is obvious they have this plan to put a few controversial candidates through to spice up the show and make more people watch. If all the candiaites were ace singers who would care so much? He will eventually go like Jedward last year did..anyways the point is they are exploiting him and bashing him in the public eye and to the many who believe this act they should rememeber it was they who put him through in the very first audition.

I don't watch X Factor at all, don't know who this Wagner is and only have a notion of who Cheryl is. However, it's obvious this is generating loads of publicity for them, and if they're being snarky to the guy then people will tune in to see it.

Also yes, I think the comment is spot on. It could be said about any number of extremely attractive singers lately. Sometimes you just get lucky. I don't know anything of her personality (so I don't fall into the "oh but she's so lovely" group) and can only judge her on what I've seen and heard in her videos and songs. She's... fine. She's not amazing. imo.

I belive he is being kept in the competition so when katie somes up against him (i think it will be tonight) no one will complain when she is again 'saved' becuase he isn't a good singer.

Seriously (insofar as it's possible to take anything about Cheryl seriously) I think it was an incredible stroke of good luck that her team managed to turn her around from being reviled as a nasty thug to 'national treasure' . It didn't work for the likes of jade goody- another not too bright, bad tempered thug. And what Cheryl did last night was probably a really bad move in publicity terms. Very stupid woman.
Totally agree with the point about Cher btw... Surely Cheryl ought to have an ounce of nouse about how the media operate
Also... I think Cheryl is out of her depth now as danni is SO much more classy and on the ball.

I think its all part of SC's plan to hang her out to dry so he doesn't have to use on the US version.

The media seem desperate to bring her down having spent the whole of last year loving her - its the typical cycle isn't it?

Agree about sc's role - he says jump and she says how high?!

Keeps an increasingly lacklustre program in the news, keeps everyone talking about it, when the music is 99% forgettable

'course she got lucky; I am from a council estate too, wasn;t born with a stunning face and the ability to sing (OK, in a way other people like- not my taste- but YKWIM). I've worked and no longer live on one (though who knows for the suture, life can throw anything IME) and got teh degree / working on post grad but yes, I;m lucky too that I have been able to do that.

Many, many things are luck. Don;t see why it's seen as offensive tbh: plain as day in my eyes. Doesn;t eman you didn;t put in ahrd work around it though.

FWIW I think from what I have read here she was out of order, but it's no doubt a + for ratings which is all they care about. And I am afraid I alck the ability to just elave her criminal record aside from my judgements of her just because she married a twat and got crowned 'Nation's darling' by The Sun.

But whilst I love the entertainment part of Wagner if he was a good singer in his own language wouldn't they let him sing in it as they did Ruth? And the wrong name thing is just ba form of unsubtle bullying isn't it?

In all honesty, it would be a very mediocre talent competition without all the press furore.

People really don't watch X Factor for the music.

It seems that what Wagner actually said was

"Cheryl has never spoken to me properly, but that?s OK. She?s just a girl from a council estate who got lucky when somebody gave her a job in showbusiness. But she is pretty, very, very pretty."

No idea if he was misquoted or not, but that sounds pretty derogatory to me.