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disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 16:15

While idling around on barking American websites laughing at "fundies" (provoked by the thread about bates/duggars on here), I found out to my horror that one of the craziest and most destructive of "Christian" parenting gurus has been giving seminars to UK parents via a network of sister churches which has branches in several nations

his name is Tedd Tripp and he advocates the most heartbreakingly cruel and abusive punishment and humiliation of children right from tiny babyhood SadSad

I am angry that this man can be thrown up at UK parents as an example and as someone to emulate. I realise it is probably pointless but I felt I had to do something, so I have emailed the church in bristol that had him last year, and cc'd it to the sister church in noth carolina where he is speaking this year

I would go along and egg the bastard, but I can't afford the air fare Wink

Here is my email, if you would like to could you add your own voice of protest? I don't want this filth in the UK or anywhere near children.

Dear Sir/Madam

I write with reference to the planned ?Tedd Tripp Seminar? of 12-13th November in Apex North Carolina, hosted by your sister church, and also to the seminar hosted by you on Saturday 21st March 2009 (as detailed on your weblog).

I note with great consternation that during these seminars Pastor Tripp is afforded the opportunity to address parents and parishioners in respect of his views regarding Biblical child-rearing. As I am sure you are aware, Pastor Tripp's infamous book "Shepherding A Child's Heart" is a controversial work which advocates practices many, even among American fundamentalist Christian groups, regard as extremely destructive, abusive and cruel. Pastor Tripp openly champions the use of humiliating, severe and repeated punishment even of very young infants. To illustrate his well-known advice to parents of young children, here are a few titbits from his aforementioned book:

Page 105 "The child is a sinner. There are things within the heart of the sweetest little baby that, allowed to blossom and grow to fruition, will bring about eventual destruction. The rod functions in this context."

Page 106: "The spanking process drives foolishness from the heart of a child. Confrontation with the immediate and undeniably tactile sensation of a spanking renders an implacable child sweet."

Page 154: "When your child is old enough to resist your directives, he is old enough to be disciplined. Rebellion can be something as simple as an infant struggling against a diaper change or stiffening out his body when you want him to sit on your lap."

If you have read and considered Pastor Tripp's writings and are still prepared to defend his links with your church and allow his attitudes to influence the families of your congregation I would be very interested to receive an explanation of your reasoning.

I wonder also whether you are aware of the law in the United Kingdom which states that hitting a child is a common assault, and that the statutory defence of ?reasonable punishment? does not and will not apply in cases where the child has been left with marks or bruises, as detailed on the Children's Legal Centre website:

"physical punishment will be considered "unreasonable" if it leaves a mark on the child or if the child is hit with an implement such as a cane or a belt." (Section 58 of the Children Act 2004)

In recent years there have been several high-profile cases in this country of children being removed from their parents? care and of parents being prosecuted for using disciplinary methods far less draconian and violent than those recommended by Pastor Tripp in his book.

It is my view that your hosting of last year's seminar, and of your continued links with his ministry, constitute an effective incitement to parents and carers to break UK law in the name of their Christian beliefs. The information on your weblog alone is sufficient to lead British families towards this toxic and abusive philosophy. I suggest that this is unacceptable and would urge you in the strongest terms to reconsider your position and sever your affiliation to Pastor Tripp and his organisation.

Yours faithfully

Mrs disgustedbythisman

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ShadeofViolet · 13/11/2010 12:18

I have added a few of my friends who I kn ow wont mind.

It would be a good idea to start a petition too.

pissedrightoff · 13/11/2010 12:20

Just joined the facebook group, am about to leave an amazon review.

what else can I do?

I am shaking I am so angry and disgusted.

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 12:21

There's defo strength in numbers. The more members and signatures we get the better, who is doing the petition?

(Sorry Disgusted I appear to have taken and run with this a little bit- don't want to tread on toe though)

disgustedbythisman · 13/11/2010 12:23

No Thandy, the more the merrier

How do I start a petition?

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mollyroger · 13/11/2010 12:26

have tweeted and sent tweet directly to some big hitter tweeters (with kids)

ShadeofViolet · 13/11/2010 12:28

If you go to the No10 Petition website here they have a step by step guide.

I would do it but I am not great with words.

disgustedbythisman · 13/11/2010 12:30

it says they have susspended their e-petitions process because of the 2010 election and it will be resumed soon

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ShadeofViolet · 13/11/2010 12:35

You could use www.ipetitions.com/Ipetitions?

ShadeofViolet · 13/11/2010 12:37

ipetitions

colditz · 13/11/2010 12:40

Going on the premise that God is our father adn that we are his children made in his image, I must point out that I have behaved very badly at times, and yet have NEVER been spanked by God.

This would lead me to believe that God does not, in fact, condone spanking.

I cannot see any sect's version of Jesus hitting a 7 month old baby with a stick. He was supposedly a nice man, and rather fond of small children.

Jux · 13/11/2010 12:46

My bottom would appear to be pure too Grin

Silver1 · 13/11/2010 13:00

I haven't read all the replies- but does anyone fancy phoning Bristol Social Services to see if they could send along a guest speaker?

disgustedbythisman · 13/11/2010 13:04

\link{http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/saynototeddtripp/\petition here}

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Ray81 · 13/11/2010 13:05

I am totaly disgusted by this man and very Angry that he thinks it is ok to whip a child esp one as young as 8 months.
i have sat here and cried thinking about all those poor children that parents follow his teachings. I have i 6mo DD and could never imagine spanking her for moving when i change her nappy or being curious infact i could NEVER spank her at all EVER.

I have joined the facebook group and will be posting on amazon too.

I feel sick

disgustedbythisman · 13/11/2010 13:07

the seminar in Bristol was last March

We don't know whether or when he has plans to repeat it

he did one in Bath as well

My main beef is twofold:

a) clearly UK churches can import these people and hold gatherings to incite parents to brea the law if they so choose - this is a gaping hole in the law which needs to be closed

b) the church that hosted him openly propotes and advertises his disgusting books, resources and advice on its weblog, cloaking his cruel and twisted attitude in a veneer of acceptable Church officialdom - this is a disaster for vulnerable, impressionable young families, it is an abuse of position and it needs to be stopped

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Ray81 · 13/11/2010 13:10

Have signed the petition.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 13/11/2010 13:51

Goodness Sad and Angry

I can't abide "Christians" that use the Old Testament without looking at the New Testament,

agree totally with Colditz. And should add that that in Colossians Paul told the church to change the way that children were treated (prior to that they were objects that fathers could sell into slavery, kill at birth, set to labour - anything - they were inferior).

Jesus made it blatantly clear (and Paul followed on with the same message) that children were to be loved and cherished.

choufleur · 13/11/2010 14:47

I think you can change the settings of groups to all people just to join.

If you make me an admin I'll have a look.

LadyInPink · 13/11/2010 15:12

Have signed and commented. Phew hopefully this will stop his views being listened to and copied.

Good on you OP for doing this, i am behind you 100%.

ShadeofViolet · 13/11/2010 17:26

Bumping up the thread for the early evening crowd :)

LoveRedShoes · 13/11/2010 17:55

I don't do facebook so can't join in with that, but have jotted down several emails and letters to send Monday.
Bump.

mummylin2495 · 13/11/2010 18:25

Have signed the petition.what an awful excuse for a human being.

pallymama · 13/11/2010 18:28

I have signed the petition. I do not have the time or strength to really look into this at the momment, but I will definately be coming back to it tomorrow to start firing off some emails and letters. I'm completely shocked, what a vile, vile man. Angry

RunAwayWife · 13/11/2010 18:46

No sane person would follow this

BootyMum · 13/11/2010 18:54

Good on you OP for highlighting this issue!

Truly disturbing Sad