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disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 16:15

While idling around on barking American websites laughing at "fundies" (provoked by the thread about bates/duggars on here), I found out to my horror that one of the craziest and most destructive of "Christian" parenting gurus has been giving seminars to UK parents via a network of sister churches which has branches in several nations

his name is Tedd Tripp and he advocates the most heartbreakingly cruel and abusive punishment and humiliation of children right from tiny babyhood SadSad

I am angry that this man can be thrown up at UK parents as an example and as someone to emulate. I realise it is probably pointless but I felt I had to do something, so I have emailed the church in bristol that had him last year, and cc'd it to the sister church in noth carolina where he is speaking this year

I would go along and egg the bastard, but I can't afford the air fare Wink

Here is my email, if you would like to could you add your own voice of protest? I don't want this filth in the UK or anywhere near children.

Dear Sir/Madam

I write with reference to the planned ?Tedd Tripp Seminar? of 12-13th November in Apex North Carolina, hosted by your sister church, and also to the seminar hosted by you on Saturday 21st March 2009 (as detailed on your weblog).

I note with great consternation that during these seminars Pastor Tripp is afforded the opportunity to address parents and parishioners in respect of his views regarding Biblical child-rearing. As I am sure you are aware, Pastor Tripp's infamous book "Shepherding A Child's Heart" is a controversial work which advocates practices many, even among American fundamentalist Christian groups, regard as extremely destructive, abusive and cruel. Pastor Tripp openly champions the use of humiliating, severe and repeated punishment even of very young infants. To illustrate his well-known advice to parents of young children, here are a few titbits from his aforementioned book:

Page 105 "The child is a sinner. There are things within the heart of the sweetest little baby that, allowed to blossom and grow to fruition, will bring about eventual destruction. The rod functions in this context."

Page 106: "The spanking process drives foolishness from the heart of a child. Confrontation with the immediate and undeniably tactile sensation of a spanking renders an implacable child sweet."

Page 154: "When your child is old enough to resist your directives, he is old enough to be disciplined. Rebellion can be something as simple as an infant struggling against a diaper change or stiffening out his body when you want him to sit on your lap."

If you have read and considered Pastor Tripp's writings and are still prepared to defend his links with your church and allow his attitudes to influence the families of your congregation I would be very interested to receive an explanation of your reasoning.

I wonder also whether you are aware of the law in the United Kingdom which states that hitting a child is a common assault, and that the statutory defence of ?reasonable punishment? does not and will not apply in cases where the child has been left with marks or bruises, as detailed on the Children's Legal Centre website:

"physical punishment will be considered "unreasonable" if it leaves a mark on the child or if the child is hit with an implement such as a cane or a belt." (Section 58 of the Children Act 2004)

In recent years there have been several high-profile cases in this country of children being removed from their parents? care and of parents being prosecuted for using disciplinary methods far less draconian and violent than those recommended by Pastor Tripp in his book.

It is my view that your hosting of last year's seminar, and of your continued links with his ministry, constitute an effective incitement to parents and carers to break UK law in the name of their Christian beliefs. The information on your weblog alone is sufficient to lead British families towards this toxic and abusive philosophy. I suggest that this is unacceptable and would urge you in the strongest terms to reconsider your position and sever your affiliation to Pastor Tripp and his organisation.

Yours faithfully

Mrs disgustedbythisman

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Tikitikitembo · 13/11/2010 10:42

Vile, I'm in Angry

Tikitikitembo · 13/11/2010 10:44

there are videos of the horrible man on youtube

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1966574554086141671# What is with the flashing images ?

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 10:52

Hmmm was about to set up facebook group then got a bit worried about libel given todays weirdo libel climate.

Hmmmmm will need to think carefully about wording.

Tikitikitembo · 13/11/2010 10:57

My first step was a book review on Amazon. Doesn't matter how small the step it will all add up.

ISNT · 13/11/2010 11:01

This is grotesque. I agree strongly with everyone who is complaining and raising awareness of this. However I know that for many Christians of a certain type, this message will not be new or unusual - the idea of man as head of the household and the idea that he must physically discipline his wife and children is not a new one. Depressing isn't it.

Tikitikitembo · 13/11/2010 11:01

Oh my goodness the more i find the more i feel physically sick. I have to step away from the computer now

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 11:09

Facebook Group:
Shepherding a child's heart- Tedd Tripp- child abuse or "discipline"?

Jux · 13/11/2010 11:11

The man is clearly getting his rocks off. Utterly utterly vile.

choufleur · 13/11/2010 11:27

I've used thetag #teddtripp

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 11:35

sorry something weird is going on with the group. The last group I set up was a doddle to manage and organise. This one the formatting is all weird and I can't seem to change it plus am having to approve members which I don't want to do. Anyone know what's gone wrong?

Tolalola · 13/11/2010 11:40

Just wrote an Amazon review and it felt soooo good!

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 11:42

sigh facebook have changed group designs for "new functionality" of course it doesn't make it more functional. Sigh.

disgustedbythisman · 13/11/2010 11:44

Wow, just catching up with this

What still needs to be done? I have lost track of what others are doing and what still remains to be done

Do we have a petition? If not, how do I set one up?

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Tikitikitembo · 13/11/2010 11:49

I am also going to comment on all the insane ones saying its a great book and click on helpful to bring ours to the top. I will be emailing everyone i know about the facebook thing and asking them to negatively review this book. I am so sad to think there are so many kids out there with parents who think this is ok Sad

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 11:52

Don't think there was a petition.

Have changed Twitter link to the facebook group
and changed message

US "Parenting guru" #TeddTripp advocates child abuse (under UK law) as "discipline" UK churches shouldn't invite him on.fb.me/cgf3Da

Although agree may need to be careful about media bandwangon though as publicity may fuel more followers?

So slightly worried re. opening pandoras box?

HowsTheSerenity · 13/11/2010 11:58

Just amazoned.

Some people are morons.

Tikitikitembo · 13/11/2010 11:59

If anyone hasn't left a review or comments please would you.

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 12:04

www.worldmag.com/articles/12096

"Spanking is an expression of love. It's what God does when He disciplines us," he said, citing Hebrews 12:5. "What I'm advocating is a very careful, measured, gracious, and kind use of the rod that restores the child afterwards. The child is not in the doghouse."

"Tripp agrees, but cautions parents never to spank in public or in view of others who may consider it abuse. "With the trajectory of where we're going as a culture, I'd be very surprised if in 20 years time there are not laws on the books against spanking children," he said."

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 12:08

anyone want to be an admin on the FB group?

disgustedbythisman · 13/11/2010 12:09

I will do the admin if someone tells me basically what to do

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Thandeka · 13/11/2010 12:10

At least he doesn't advocate spanking in anger but still advocating spanking at all is inhumane.
:(

ShadeofViolet · 13/11/2010 12:10

I can if you want (My initials are AB and I am already part of the group)

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 12:11

Disgusted- have emailed you.

SoV will do.

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 12:14

hmm thing with new FB groups tool is you can add members rather than invite. Seems a bit rude to just add without asking first!