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disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 16:15

While idling around on barking American websites laughing at "fundies" (provoked by the thread about bates/duggars on here), I found out to my horror that one of the craziest and most destructive of "Christian" parenting gurus has been giving seminars to UK parents via a network of sister churches which has branches in several nations

his name is Tedd Tripp and he advocates the most heartbreakingly cruel and abusive punishment and humiliation of children right from tiny babyhood SadSad

I am angry that this man can be thrown up at UK parents as an example and as someone to emulate. I realise it is probably pointless but I felt I had to do something, so I have emailed the church in bristol that had him last year, and cc'd it to the sister church in noth carolina where he is speaking this year

I would go along and egg the bastard, but I can't afford the air fare Wink

Here is my email, if you would like to could you add your own voice of protest? I don't want this filth in the UK or anywhere near children.

Dear Sir/Madam

I write with reference to the planned ?Tedd Tripp Seminar? of 12-13th November in Apex North Carolina, hosted by your sister church, and also to the seminar hosted by you on Saturday 21st March 2009 (as detailed on your weblog).

I note with great consternation that during these seminars Pastor Tripp is afforded the opportunity to address parents and parishioners in respect of his views regarding Biblical child-rearing. As I am sure you are aware, Pastor Tripp's infamous book "Shepherding A Child's Heart" is a controversial work which advocates practices many, even among American fundamentalist Christian groups, regard as extremely destructive, abusive and cruel. Pastor Tripp openly champions the use of humiliating, severe and repeated punishment even of very young infants. To illustrate his well-known advice to parents of young children, here are a few titbits from his aforementioned book:

Page 105 "The child is a sinner. There are things within the heart of the sweetest little baby that, allowed to blossom and grow to fruition, will bring about eventual destruction. The rod functions in this context."

Page 106: "The spanking process drives foolishness from the heart of a child. Confrontation with the immediate and undeniably tactile sensation of a spanking renders an implacable child sweet."

Page 154: "When your child is old enough to resist your directives, he is old enough to be disciplined. Rebellion can be something as simple as an infant struggling against a diaper change or stiffening out his body when you want him to sit on your lap."

If you have read and considered Pastor Tripp's writings and are still prepared to defend his links with your church and allow his attitudes to influence the families of your congregation I would be very interested to receive an explanation of your reasoning.

I wonder also whether you are aware of the law in the United Kingdom which states that hitting a child is a common assault, and that the statutory defence of ?reasonable punishment? does not and will not apply in cases where the child has been left with marks or bruises, as detailed on the Children's Legal Centre website:

"physical punishment will be considered "unreasonable" if it leaves a mark on the child or if the child is hit with an implement such as a cane or a belt." (Section 58 of the Children Act 2004)

In recent years there have been several high-profile cases in this country of children being removed from their parents? care and of parents being prosecuted for using disciplinary methods far less draconian and violent than those recommended by Pastor Tripp in his book.

It is my view that your hosting of last year's seminar, and of your continued links with his ministry, constitute an effective incitement to parents and carers to break UK law in the name of their Christian beliefs. The information on your weblog alone is sufficient to lead British families towards this toxic and abusive philosophy. I suggest that this is unacceptable and would urge you in the strongest terms to reconsider your position and sever your affiliation to Pastor Tripp and his organisation.

Yours faithfully

Mrs disgustedbythisman

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SuePurblybilt · 12/11/2010 19:19

Horrible, there's a definite taint to those quotes from the book - it really sounds like he likes spanking.

zachsmama · 12/11/2010 19:19

oh my god. I feel so :( and Angry and am trying not to cry and the thought of beating an 8 month old for trying to pull himself up on furniture.

Good on you for contacting the church.

MumInBeds · 12/11/2010 19:19

'half a dozen children and no Sunday School'

Ewe · 12/11/2010 19:20

Agree that he is clearly a vile man with hideous beliefs. I just wonder if press etc is the way to go largely because it is just giving him coverage and a platform and at the moment he is pretty much unknown by most.

Majority of people will obviously be appalled but might it also just be highlighting his ideas to potentially vulnerable parents/possibly helping existing abuser justify what they're doing? Just a thought really.

Really excellent letter, well done for writing, I can't wait to see how they justify it!

zachsmama · 12/11/2010 19:23

'...at the thought of beating an 8 month old...'

Couldn't type properly.

classydiva · 12/11/2010 19:24

It is really upsetting, I agree, and I applaud you for taking the time to write to those concerned.

I detest any form of physical abuse specifically abuse aimed at children.

I still here children now being threatened, and if it wasn't for the fact I have a child myself I would be prone to slap the parent concerned.

There is no excuse for any form of physical abuse be it against an adult or child.

I have two children 22 and 17, and I found that by treating them as friends, and with respect I have raised two wonderful children who are a credit to me.

Well done and let us know if you here anything back.

choufleur · 12/11/2010 19:27

Is there a schedule anywhere of when he is in the UK? Quick google and can't find anything. I would be writing to the police and director of children's services in the areas he is planning to visit.

PrincessBoo · 12/11/2010 19:28

This sort of thing really frightens me - the guy is obviously convincing because the people that rate his book think that they are doing the right thing and living a Christian life.

And the thing is - we none of us will easily be able to shake them out of that belief because they think that the bible justifies it.

Well done OP for trying to do something about it. I worry that if non-christian , of the world, Mumsnetters were to protest in their droves it would make no real difference, however I would love to hear what the Christian mumsnetters think about this.

My argument would be simple. That nowhere in the bible do we see Jesus spanking, or justifying spanking, a child. And that's who is being followed right?

spiderlight · 12/11/2010 19:28

Horrific. Poor babies :( Well done for writing. He needs to be stopped. Absolutely disgusting and wrong at every level.

The3Bears · 12/11/2010 19:31

:( awfull

droves · 12/11/2010 19:31

Id like to whip him the violently perverted bastardio that he is ....Angry .

IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN SIGN ?, PETITION AGAINST HIM !

Just posted on amazon that its encouraging child abuse.

FUCKING TWUNT HAD TO SELF PUBLISH .... thankfully big publishing companys had the good grace to refuse this evil horrible "pastor".

MumInBeds · 12/11/2010 19:33

Seems like one UK Christian minister has spoken out against him back in 2006 link

It feels worse for the fact that the book has what appears to be a 'gentle' title yet advocates such abuse.

PrincessBoo · 12/11/2010 19:33

oops - meant to put the 'of the world' quote in speechmarks - as I believe that's how people with extreme beliefs may see us here on mumsnet.

highhopes2010 · 12/11/2010 19:33

it's taken me 3 times to re-write what im now posting because i'm stuck completely for words(thats unusual).im in shock.how are the UK allowing him to be here preaching this shit to us?its against our laws?maybe the police should also be informed what he's doing?

Blu · 12/11/2010 19:35

This man is obviously the latest prponent in a long line of American christian fundementalists who purport great love and calm, but are controlling sociopath's fetishising 'the rod' Google Michael pearl 'To Train A Child' (his teachings led to the death of a 7 yo) and some maniac called Ezzo.
There was a big discussion thread about all this several years ago because Amazon were selling so many of the books telling you how to ceremoniously beat babies as young as 4 months.

I don't see how it can be legal to have someone in this country openly encouraging parents to beat babies. Talk about incitement.

HeadFairy · 12/11/2010 19:36

disgusted, you certainly have my full support, what a disgusting excuse for a man. Do Downing Street still do online petitions? I feel sure you'd get every one of the 100,000 or so mnetters to sign it!

droves · 12/11/2010 19:37

Im not religious , but how fucking dare he bastardise the bible to justify his warped sick opinions.

ITS ALWAYS THE SAME WITH RELIGIOUS NUTJOBS ....they twist what is written in bible/koran/ect to suit their own psycotic views.Makes them feel "justified" .

Angry

even angryer that its aimed at children.... not surprised though its usually women and children thats targeted.

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droves · 12/11/2010 19:39

dito what head fairy said.

Teapot13 · 12/11/2010 19:44

Is incitement to child abuse actually a crime in the UK?

I agree with the poster that suggested cc'ing police and social services. These are the people that need to get involved the members of the churches you're writing to are probably bonkers-- not open to suggestions from outsiders.

LadyInPink · 12/11/2010 19:45

I think Droves he would get some sick facination out of receiving one himself just as much as he probably gets from dishing them out - the sick bastard!!

I was totally Shock at reading your post and so amazed at your letter, well done you.

OMG we live in the 21st century FFS where corporal punishment is disallowed, how is this sicko managing to sell his books.

I grew up in a family where we would get a smack if we disobeyed etc and i was determined not to do the same to my DC as i hated the humiliation of it, how can anyone think it is the right way to discipline a child, hitting a child (or anyone for that matter) instills that hitting is okay and it is totally wrong.

Vile man!

choufleur · 12/11/2010 19:46

Grace Church Ministries only appear to have a church in bristol. Here's the email address of children's protection [email protected]

choufleur · 12/11/2010 19:47

That link doesn't work properly it thinks it's a web address. Don't know how to make it an email address link.

droves · 12/11/2010 19:54

I think bristol childprotection is about to get swamped with anti -Trip emails ! .

Better send some letters too incase the computers crash under the strain. Wink

disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 20:04

have just forwarded my original email to the bristol child protection people, with the following intro:

I am forwarding this email which I sent earlier today to the Grace Church in Bristol in connection with their ongoing and publicised links with Pastor Tedd Tripp of the Grace Fellowship Church based in the USA. Pastor Tripp is a celebrated parenting guru and infamous author of the blockbuster ?Shepherding a Child?s Heart? in which he openly and graphically advocates the harsh physical punishment of babies and children. Pastor Tripp was made welcome and delivered a seminar on parenting at the Grace Church in Bristol in March of last year and his writings and philosophy are still championed on the church?s weblog.

I am deeply concerned about this violent fundamentalist child-training approach being peddled to vulnerable and impressionable families in the UK and would implore you to investigate this situation as far as resources will permit, with a view to eradicating this dangerous practice from the UK branch of the Grace Fellowship Church.

Regards

Mrs disgustedbythisman

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LoveRedShoes · 12/11/2010 20:05

Is it worth emailing the bbc or a local newspaper about this child abuser? What else can we do?