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disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 16:15

While idling around on barking American websites laughing at "fundies" (provoked by the thread about bates/duggars on here), I found out to my horror that one of the craziest and most destructive of "Christian" parenting gurus has been giving seminars to UK parents via a network of sister churches which has branches in several nations

his name is Tedd Tripp and he advocates the most heartbreakingly cruel and abusive punishment and humiliation of children right from tiny babyhood SadSad

I am angry that this man can be thrown up at UK parents as an example and as someone to emulate. I realise it is probably pointless but I felt I had to do something, so I have emailed the church in bristol that had him last year, and cc'd it to the sister church in noth carolina where he is speaking this year

I would go along and egg the bastard, but I can't afford the air fare Wink

Here is my email, if you would like to could you add your own voice of protest? I don't want this filth in the UK or anywhere near children.

Dear Sir/Madam

I write with reference to the planned ?Tedd Tripp Seminar? of 12-13th November in Apex North Carolina, hosted by your sister church, and also to the seminar hosted by you on Saturday 21st March 2009 (as detailed on your weblog).

I note with great consternation that during these seminars Pastor Tripp is afforded the opportunity to address parents and parishioners in respect of his views regarding Biblical child-rearing. As I am sure you are aware, Pastor Tripp's infamous book "Shepherding A Child's Heart" is a controversial work which advocates practices many, even among American fundamentalist Christian groups, regard as extremely destructive, abusive and cruel. Pastor Tripp openly champions the use of humiliating, severe and repeated punishment even of very young infants. To illustrate his well-known advice to parents of young children, here are a few titbits from his aforementioned book:

Page 105 "The child is a sinner. There are things within the heart of the sweetest little baby that, allowed to blossom and grow to fruition, will bring about eventual destruction. The rod functions in this context."

Page 106: "The spanking process drives foolishness from the heart of a child. Confrontation with the immediate and undeniably tactile sensation of a spanking renders an implacable child sweet."

Page 154: "When your child is old enough to resist your directives, he is old enough to be disciplined. Rebellion can be something as simple as an infant struggling against a diaper change or stiffening out his body when you want him to sit on your lap."

If you have read and considered Pastor Tripp's writings and are still prepared to defend his links with your church and allow his attitudes to influence the families of your congregation I would be very interested to receive an explanation of your reasoning.

I wonder also whether you are aware of the law in the United Kingdom which states that hitting a child is a common assault, and that the statutory defence of ?reasonable punishment? does not and will not apply in cases where the child has been left with marks or bruises, as detailed on the Children's Legal Centre website:

"physical punishment will be considered "unreasonable" if it leaves a mark on the child or if the child is hit with an implement such as a cane or a belt." (Section 58 of the Children Act 2004)

In recent years there have been several high-profile cases in this country of children being removed from their parents? care and of parents being prosecuted for using disciplinary methods far less draconian and violent than those recommended by Pastor Tripp in his book.

It is my view that your hosting of last year's seminar, and of your continued links with his ministry, constitute an effective incitement to parents and carers to break UK law in the name of their Christian beliefs. The information on your weblog alone is sufficient to lead British families towards this toxic and abusive philosophy. I suggest that this is unacceptable and would urge you in the strongest terms to reconsider your position and sever your affiliation to Pastor Tripp and his organisation.

Yours faithfully

Mrs disgustedbythisman

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LoveRedShoes · 12/11/2010 22:20

Done my amazon reviews and will write some letters tomorrow. Let's keep this bumped so more MNetters can help this cause.
Urghhhhh.....absolute evil.

droves · 12/11/2010 22:28

ACAL has a forum where you can express concerns/ask questions .
Have registered and will post the issue and ask what can be done?.

LoveRedShoes · 12/11/2010 22:43

Argh... Just think of the children who are now suffering because their idiot parents follow this man's advice.
Angry

Thruaglassdarkly · 12/11/2010 22:59

Sorry, I don't get why you are "laughing at fundies". Could it be that you yourself are intolerant of people with faith? (the whole smacking debate aside for a moment!)

Thruaglassdarkly · 12/11/2010 23:01

Granted, Mr Tripp sounds quite nuts to me, as a Christian, but still...

Emjxxx · 12/11/2010 23:06

This is is digusting I'm going to be leaving some feed back on Amazon and I will also be contacting the local papers etc. This vile man can not be allowed to prey on the innocent like this. Angry Sad

disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 23:06

no, not people with faith

cardboard cut-out fundamentalist fanatics who treat their daughters like skivvies, though.....

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droves · 12/11/2010 23:07

Right need some techy type person who can do this ....
FOUND SITE TO PETITION the Prime Minister.
If someone could do the thing and make a petition against encouragement of child abuse /tripp then we might get some where?

HERE

Emjxxx · 12/11/2010 23:29

Can't create e-petition at the moment the are under review!!

starkadder · 12/11/2010 23:30

Agree that this is vile.

8 month old babies do understand a lot more than we often give them credit for. To use this as an excuse to beat them (!!!) is unbelievably twisted.

As far as the Home Office goes, as an American he wouldn't need a visa if he was coming here under this category: "religious workers undertaking some preaching or pastoral work during a business visit (for example, to attend a conference), provided their base is abroad and they are not taking up an office, post or appointment"

If he did not have a "business visit" as an excuse then he would need immigration approval as a minister of religion. But I suspect he is combining his horrible preaching with some kind of spurious business visit.

Emjxxx · 12/11/2010 23:32

Have left reviews on Amazon and am now emailing BBC Bristol news and Local Bristol News!!! I'm horrified by this.

MrsCrafty · 13/11/2010 00:21

Oh No, I am into some discipline but this guy sounds like a sicko cult type person.

I can't believe the wife left the room so the shelf could fall on the baby. That's wicked.

MadAsASnakeNana · 13/11/2010 00:30

Sickening!

ShadeofViolet · 13/11/2010 08:55

The No10 petition site linked to by Droves is a good one :)

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 09:27

Twittering started:

US "Christian parenting guru" Tedd Tripp is advocating child abuse as "discipline" in UK. He needs to be stopped bit.ly/cy5Vn5 pls RT

with link to this thread.
If you are on Twitter get tweeting.

LadyInPink · 13/11/2010 09:40

and Bump!

choufleur · 13/11/2010 10:00

The bit link doesn't work Thandeka.

Can you post again.

choufleur · 13/11/2010 10:01

Oh it does was just me.

choufleur · 13/11/2010 10:03

Have tweeted

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 10:12

had to change mine unfortunately as did it from my professional account and its something that could be subject to attack from devotees so couldn't risk it but have set up a new account but have no followers as yet so may take a while!

Also tweeting to all the big guns of CP:

@theNSPCC US "Christian parenting guru" Tedd Tripp is advocating child abuse as "discipline" in UK. Can u help? bit.ly/cy5Vn5

and so on - if enough of us do something maybe they will step in.

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 10:19

also send it to big guns of twitter - the ones with lots of followers.

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 10:26

Has a facebook group been set up yet?
I can't find it?
Would be better to link to that than to this thread I am thinking....

theagedparent · 13/11/2010 10:27

Disgusting little man

MmeLindt · 13/11/2010 10:31

Thadeka
You are linking to the mobile MN website, if you link to this one www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1082250-Upsetting-but-please-read-and-support-if-you-can?pg=1&reverse=1 it is easier to read in a browser.

I am MmeLindor on Twitter, can you follow me and I will follow you back.

I am absolutely disgusted by this. Advocating child abuse - surely illegal in UK?

Will tweet link to this thread.

Thandeka · 13/11/2010 10:39

Have adjusted tweet link thanks for pointing it out.

US "Christian parenting guru" Tedd Tripp is advocating child abuse as "discipline" in UK. He needs to be stopped bit.ly/dad2A6 Pls RT

Am MissComunicate on twitter (Yes deliberate typo!)