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disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 16:15

While idling around on barking American websites laughing at "fundies" (provoked by the thread about bates/duggars on here), I found out to my horror that one of the craziest and most destructive of "Christian" parenting gurus has been giving seminars to UK parents via a network of sister churches which has branches in several nations

his name is Tedd Tripp and he advocates the most heartbreakingly cruel and abusive punishment and humiliation of children right from tiny babyhood SadSad

I am angry that this man can be thrown up at UK parents as an example and as someone to emulate. I realise it is probably pointless but I felt I had to do something, so I have emailed the church in bristol that had him last year, and cc'd it to the sister church in noth carolina where he is speaking this year

I would go along and egg the bastard, but I can't afford the air fare Wink

Here is my email, if you would like to could you add your own voice of protest? I don't want this filth in the UK or anywhere near children.

Dear Sir/Madam

I write with reference to the planned ?Tedd Tripp Seminar? of 12-13th November in Apex North Carolina, hosted by your sister church, and also to the seminar hosted by you on Saturday 21st March 2009 (as detailed on your weblog).

I note with great consternation that during these seminars Pastor Tripp is afforded the opportunity to address parents and parishioners in respect of his views regarding Biblical child-rearing. As I am sure you are aware, Pastor Tripp's infamous book "Shepherding A Child's Heart" is a controversial work which advocates practices many, even among American fundamentalist Christian groups, regard as extremely destructive, abusive and cruel. Pastor Tripp openly champions the use of humiliating, severe and repeated punishment even of very young infants. To illustrate his well-known advice to parents of young children, here are a few titbits from his aforementioned book:

Page 105 "The child is a sinner. There are things within the heart of the sweetest little baby that, allowed to blossom and grow to fruition, will bring about eventual destruction. The rod functions in this context."

Page 106: "The spanking process drives foolishness from the heart of a child. Confrontation with the immediate and undeniably tactile sensation of a spanking renders an implacable child sweet."

Page 154: "When your child is old enough to resist your directives, he is old enough to be disciplined. Rebellion can be something as simple as an infant struggling against a diaper change or stiffening out his body when you want him to sit on your lap."

If you have read and considered Pastor Tripp's writings and are still prepared to defend his links with your church and allow his attitudes to influence the families of your congregation I would be very interested to receive an explanation of your reasoning.

I wonder also whether you are aware of the law in the United Kingdom which states that hitting a child is a common assault, and that the statutory defence of ?reasonable punishment? does not and will not apply in cases where the child has been left with marks or bruises, as detailed on the Children's Legal Centre website:

"physical punishment will be considered "unreasonable" if it leaves a mark on the child or if the child is hit with an implement such as a cane or a belt." (Section 58 of the Children Act 2004)

In recent years there have been several high-profile cases in this country of children being removed from their parents? care and of parents being prosecuted for using disciplinary methods far less draconian and violent than those recommended by Pastor Tripp in his book.

It is my view that your hosting of last year's seminar, and of your continued links with his ministry, constitute an effective incitement to parents and carers to break UK law in the name of their Christian beliefs. The information on your weblog alone is sufficient to lead British families towards this toxic and abusive philosophy. I suggest that this is unacceptable and would urge you in the strongest terms to reconsider your position and sever your affiliation to Pastor Tripp and his organisation.

Yours faithfully

Mrs disgustedbythisman

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kelly2525 · 12/11/2010 20:05

The bit about spanking being a tactile experience is beyond creepy

disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 20:06

thank god you lot agree, I thought I was going bloody mad thereShock

how DARE they Angry

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AnnieLobeseder · 12/11/2010 20:08

I'm not sure what horrifies me more; that the guy wrote it in the first place or that so many people think it's a wonderful book.

I feel sick.

Sadly this is the second sickening book I've seen on Amazon this week. Luckily the last one seems to have been pulled from their stocks.

LoveRedShoes · 12/11/2010 20:13

Oooh - what about someone like India Knight at the Times. I bet she would be interested in something like this.

droves · 12/11/2010 20:13

Well thats promising ....AMAZON will do something if enough people point it out to them.
Lets get this one pulled too !

disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 20:16

look, I know that there are loads of media-savvy MNers - could one of them send a link to this thread around potentially interested parties?

I still feel like a bit of a berk doing this, but I am revolted by the idea of young impressionable parents swallowing this fucking shit along with the Lord's prayer and the Christmas carols, and thinking it must be OK because CHURCH said so

how fucking irresponsible can you get Angry

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AllOverIt · 12/11/2010 20:19

OMG. This is fucking outrageous! Angry Have the press got wind of this generally?

Laquitar · 12/11/2010 20:20

So do people go to his seminars and buy his books Shock
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Laquitar · 12/11/2010 20:22

I forgot the questionmark. ?

disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 20:23

\link{http://www.gracechurchblog.com/2009/04/02/a-word-of-thanks/\read the comments on his seminar last March}

I feel like vomiting, reading that Sad

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disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 20:25

\link{http://www.gracechurchblog.com/2009/03/31/shepherding-a-childs-heart-parenting-conference-application-questions/\resources}

this church in Bristol is actually selling his fucking books and have compiled lists etc of Tripp-related crap for parents to download

SURELY they are inciting parents to break the law!

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Hassled · 12/11/2010 20:28

This is just so gobsmackingly awful - good for you for writing the letter. And you're right, there will be devout young parents who, instead of finding a parenting book/site, will be swallowing this shite whole.

LoveRedShoes · 12/11/2010 20:30

Can we organize a mumsnet linked petition?

disgustedbythisman · 12/11/2010 20:33

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Tolalola · 12/11/2010 20:37

This is so ghastly! I'm really shocked. I hope the press grab on to this.

pointythings · 12/11/2010 20:38

Am absolutely horrified. The UK can ban all sorts of people from setting foot on its shores, this man should be on the list.

choufleur · 12/11/2010 20:41

It's the home office then that we should contact about his visit then?

SantasMooningArse · 12/11/2010 20:41

Like Blu I remembr the last time this came up- IIRC the Amazon link was removed from MN as a result of the horrid books (well doen MN).

SantasMooningArse · 12/11/2010 20:42

Hello Greeny, am not surprised it's you TBH.

Home Office may well be bang on, actually. having people fly ehre to preach breaking the law- WTF?

WelshCerys · 12/11/2010 20:43

Good work,disgustedbythisman.
Nothing short of incitement to abuse.

Will write some emails, too. Maybe to the UK churches, what were they thinking of, hosting such a hideous event?

ShadeofViolet · 12/11/2010 20:44

Well done for highlighting this issue OP, what a horrid, horrid man!!!

LoveRedShoes · 12/11/2010 20:47

I think it is disgusting - why don't you ask MN HQ and see what they say.
Strangely I am generally not anti-smacking (when it is a tap on the hand/ pat on the bottom through clothes and nothing else as a final resort) but this strikes me as encouraging physical assault and humiliation. It should not be allowed.
I lived in the US for sometime and near the bible belt, and while the majority of parents I met were lovely and fab parents, there were one or two who 'did not spare the rod' because of their religion and they were awful.
Let me know if there is anything I can do.

stevieknicks · 12/11/2010 20:47

Will tell journo friends - feel quite ill after reading this Sad

Coca · 12/11/2010 20:47

He tweets too

choufleur · 12/11/2010 20:48

Home office general complaints

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