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to be fusked off with people's perception of children in care?

214 replies

LoopyLoops · 11/11/2010 16:07

Not a thread about a thread, but inspired by one, whereby it was suggested that foster children are a danger to others.

Children in care are vulnerable and by default disadvantaged in many ways. 35% of the population goes to uni, whereas only 3% (1% until recently) of care leavers do.

Attitudes towards fostered children range from sympathetic to contemptuous.

I'll give you an example. Drinking with a neighbour recently, talking about childhood. He stated "but I don't believe you LoopyLoops, you can't have been in care, you own a nice house and are married..." Now, he wasn't saying this in a "wow! aren't you great" way, but in a genuine "I don't believe you, you're making it up" way. So, I gather the assumption is that care leavers will never achieve, won't own their own homes and won't have happy family lives as adults.

AIBU that this pisses me off?

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LoopyLoops · 12/11/2010 20:14

Oh for fuck's sake.

I know it's bad form, but I need your opinions on this statement from another thread:

"I have had a bad experience with a fostered child too. There is no way I would want my child looked after along side a fostered child. I realise that most fostered children are fine, but not all, alot come with a lot of problems through no fault of their own."

My response was:

Oh for crying out loud.

Replace "I have had a bad experience with a fostered child too. There is no way I would want my child looked after along side a fostered child. I realise that most fostered children are fine, but not all, alot come with a lot of problems through no fault of their own." with

"I have had a bad experience with a disabled child too. There is no way I would want my child looked after along side a disabled child. I realise that most disabled children are fine, but not all, alot come with a lot of problems through no fault of their own."

or

"I have had a bad experience with a black child too. There is no way I would want my child looked after along side a black child. I realise that most black children are fine, but not all, alot come with a lot of problems through no fault of their own."

Can you not see why this is offensive?

Opinions please. I'm so frustrated with this.

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Litchick · 12/11/2010 20:22

I know someone who would not allow her child minder to take any looked after babies for an hour or so each day ( she can call the shots because she uses the CM full time).

This person goes to church regularly and has her eldest daughter in a faith school...you couldn't fucking make it up, could you?

LoopyLoops · 12/11/2010 20:25

I just don't get it. At all. People. Ugh.

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redflag · 12/11/2010 20:32

My husband was in care, i don't think people believe him either when he says sometimes.

Its a sad thing to say, but he was a lot happier in care than he was at home.

Although he did know a girl who came out and ended up murdering her boyfriend, then blamed the fact she was in care. A lot of people blame bad things they do on stuff that is irrelevant, such a being in care, i think that is where the stigma comes from.

phipps · 12/11/2010 20:36

Just as people say they are depressed to get away with stuff when they are not.

redflag · 12/11/2010 20:37

Precisely!

StewieGriffinsMom · 12/11/2010 20:49

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sonia77 · 12/11/2010 21:11

I went to university after foster care but could not cope at all and was suicidal. Awful times. All worked out ok in the end though.

LoopyLoops · 12/11/2010 21:14

So sorry to hear that Sonia. I presume you weren't well supported by SS?

Glad it all worked out OK.

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M1SSUNDERSTOOD · 12/11/2010 21:26

I went to uni too and it's only now I realise how much financial help I had though zero emotional support. You can always borrow money but it's a lot harder to access emotional support and a safety net that a family provides. People that knew of my situation used to ask if I wanted my to start my own family to make for this it was the last thing I wanted at the time as I wanted to be the one who was looked after!

LoopyLoops · 12/11/2010 21:45

Oh dear. :(

Even more oh dear that the Independent don't know the difference between 'fiance' and 'fiancee'. Aren't they supposed to be wordsmiths?

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redflag · 12/11/2010 21:47

ha ha ha i didnt notice that!

She went on to say, she lied about the voices in her head,and that it was because of the home she was in with my husband, that she had a terrible time (she didnt, the place was lovely and she spent mostly every day with him and their other friends)

bumpsoon · 12/11/2010 21:57

can i just ask out of curiosity , you often hear about children in care having numerous foster carers ,why is that ?

bumpsoon · 12/11/2010 22:00

also isnt there a charity that sort of befriends just out of care children? i always fancied doing that ,just being there for someone when they are starting out . Really though id like to foster old people ,thats the way forward as far as elderly care is concerned , my DH is terrified that one day he will get back from work to find some old dear ensconced on the sofa Grin

redflag · 12/11/2010 22:01

There are a million different reasons, one of them is to avoid the child getting attached if its not a long term home, Some carers are rest bite foster carers. And also sometimes because a child is particularly "naughty"

Sounds horrible when you say it like that, but some children have been abused so much, they have very little social awareness, and may be a strange to a foster family.

dolphin13 · 12/11/2010 22:02

Some awful tales here. loopy we didn't hire the caravan. We didn't complain though which is something I regret now.

We try so hard to treat all the children we foster in the same way as our bio children. We have 2 biological children, 1 adopted, and 2 long term foster children. We have also been fostering a teenage girl for the last 4 weeks. I was really pleased the other day when she asked me which children were our own. That made me think we must be doing something right.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 12/11/2010 22:04

Well my DS is buggered then, he is black, disabled and he was fostered! Clearly he is very dangerous Smile

I am a bit teary anyway because someone just sent me a pic of my DD but this thread has made me shed a tear or two.

Its the whole food and holiday thing. How could you possibly make a child feel so unwanted, so different? Its painful.

For those who dont know my story, we got a call from SIL telling us that OH's neice was being kicked out of M&B unit and DGN was going into care. A week later we picked him up from family court. Luckily he came straight to us. We thought we would have him for about 6mths.

Our lives were turned upside down, not by DGN (DS) although having a newborn in the house was a bit of a shock! The system was a major shock to us. B.mum awarded 4 contacts per week of 4 hours each plus aunt to come to us on Saturdays to see baby. That poor lad's bum never touched the ground (consquently he didnt roll over till he was 9mths old but thats another thread).

This went on for about 18mths. During this time we couldnt see my family because they live 5 hrs drive away. When I asked for some sort of arrangement they offered us respite care. Respite care? For a traumatized baby? Feck off. So we didnt go out of London in all that time even though B.mum didnt turn up for loads of the contacts.

Ironically I had to sign a statement saying that I wouldnt treat him differently from my birth children (cant remember the exact words). I did this readily. Immediatly I was forced to treat him entirely differently from my other children. He traveled in cars without a car seat, he went for hours without being fed, he was passed around like a parcel and forced to wait for hours incase b.mum turned up.

It was heartbreaking and I still carry the guilt.

But when I DID have him to myself that boy was fed only the best organic food and massaged and sang to and loved and cherished.

As ALL children should be.

BoffinMum · 12/11/2010 22:08

Some kids in care also play the system a bit - if they complain about a placement, they get moved to a new one and get a settling in grant in the region of £50 or something, so some of them use this as a cash generation process. Hence lots of placements.

redflag · 12/11/2010 22:12

My oh had a foster home for 9 weeks before the "father" who took all his clothing budget, and money allocated for my husband, Punched him in the face!

Hmm
ChippingIn · 12/11/2010 22:14

People are ignorant about all kinds of things... sadly this is one of those things.

Some of you have the most brilliant jobs and will do no end of good changing peoples perception of 'children in care'.

BoffinMum · 12/11/2010 22:14

Have to say I have had good relationships with children in care when I have been teaching them.

My main criticism would be that the support ends too early - I think they should be fostered until the age of 21/22.

LoopyLoops · 12/11/2010 22:18

Boffinmum I've never heard of such a thing. I certainly didn't get a grant for any of my numerous moves. Confused Are you sure?

1stMrsDV You are lovely. Simply lovely. I hope you're Ok after the photo. :)

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hobbgoblin · 12/11/2010 22:19

Anybody here read 'The Kid'. I have just finished it and am almost finished its sequel. What I have read in these two books tells me that it can go one way or another with children who have been through the care system, but that undoubtedly the early lives of these children is what causes them any interpersonal difficulties they may have. Such difficulties can manifest in many ways, it doesn't have to be outwardly destructive behaviour but sometimes is. I think this is whay the perception is as it is.

I don't think it is beyond comprehension that people outside of this experience might be wary. This is sad, but is another unfortunate reality for children who have had difficult starts. All the more reason to take a grass roots approach to care of the children in our communities.

Lilka · 12/11/2010 22:22

DD1 was in care at just turned 6. She was well cared for up until about 3 but then suffered three years of total hell.

Now, I do say that there are many ways in which kids looked after (and adopted) are the same - I believe that there is something amazing about every child on teh planet. However, abuse does cause tremendous hurt to many children.

Can't remember who said this but someone said that all the children 'play the same' 'learn the same'. But they don't. Extremes of abuse will prevent this from happening. School can be a terrifying place for some children who cannot properly regulate themselves, and cannot learn as he other kids do because they are constantly hypervigilant never relaxing for long enough to take anything in - they are on the lookout for the next abusers to come along.

Both DD's go and went to the same special school, precisely because they could and will not function normally in mainstream.

Now look away if you are upset easily. I rarely say stuff like this but the truth is that a traumatised child is not the same as an emotionally healthy child.

When DD1 came, she did not play like other children. Following her abuse, 'play' meant 'sex' :( From the ages of about three to six, she did not have toys, and in care she didn't play like other kids. She would swing on the garden swing, but couldn't play with hand held toys such as dolls, or action fugures or set up train tracks. She wasn't quite sure what a toy was actually for.

She was traumatised, and she had had a disruption of an adoption at age 8. Precisely because of the mistaken belief that she would magically heal in a permanent family. There is no magic only long hard efforts and luckily at around 14 she began to heal. She was home at 10. She did not relate to men until she found her hubby at 17 (she is 24 now). SHe only said innapropriate things. At home I retaught her how parents and children hug. I taught her ways of huging me that didn't involve her attempting to touch me inappropriately etc. I cried every night for her, but even at her worst I felt an amazing connection to her that I feel could have kept me going through almost anything. She did get totally lost with things that other kids took for granted like most things involved in normal social interactions, and if she lost control she would totally trash her room - curtains yanked down, pee on the carpet, a rather devastating totally animal like crying, and this was a memorable episode at age just 13 I am describing. She had and does had nightmares many nights and disrupted sleep caused more problems. Luckily she finally got really good therapy thank God, and began to heal and today is very different to the girl she was though in many ways still very traumatised young woman - she will alaways be my baby though :) She didn't begin to make real prgress till about 14 though.

DD2, very similar, exept that she was moved to special school because she acted out (sexually) with othe kids if not given supervision constantly. She is totally amazing, nothing like that now, and is just great, it breaks my heart how I am sure some people would see her. But is she the same as other children? God no.

The fact is that when followed up, a study found that 1/3 of adopted children had some or no problems, 1/3 had significant but manageable problems and 1/3 had severe problems that totally prevented them from having any normal family life. Of course some of that is the perception of the parents. I view DD1 as having had significant probs but now only some, DD2 has always had sig problems since home at 8 (14 now) but that may change DS at 5 currently very few problems (but that may change).
However, DD1 had the disruption at 8 of her former adoptive home because they felt her needs were so severe they could not cope. Truth to be told she should never have been placed with a man/woman couple, because of her probs. But I think if you want to adopt or foster then you have to understand that some children have severe problems that need intensive therapy to overcome. Up to 1/3 of adoptions seem to disrupt post adoption order, and up to 1/5 before that.

THAT DOES NOT MAKE THEM BAD CHILDREN. THEY SHOULDN'T BE STIGMATISED, BUT ACCEPTED FOR WHO THEY ARE -they are the same, but different.

They are amzing kids but traumatised. Chrpnic negect and abuse can have lifelong affects that cannot be healed in one generation alone. But there is always hope.

But I do believe saying that some (NOT ALL) kids can function like all other kids is like saying that a profoundly autistic child can function like all other kids - not true. This of course applies to all traumatised kids not just CLA