I now know I'm right about little girls and the hijab.....

[PosieComeHereMyPreciousParker]

talking to a beautiful Somali lady today(they all have hollywood smiles don't they, bloody genetic miracles!!) and she confirmed that whilst her 5 & 7 year old dds don't cover their heads she gets harassed and pressured by men at the mosque that her dds should cover. She said that whilst she doesn't because she loves her dds hair, other women do cover their very young dds. She said the men also say that unless they do it from very young they will not do it when they are the right age!

So it's not only about copying Mummy, just like the rise of the burka it's a renewed stick to beat women with.

Slag....I tend not to use sexual swearwords that describe a woman who has sex with people as a slag, I find there's no male equivalent and so it's another nasty word for women to belittle and control us. But I'm really not surprised you use that word so freely. Press shift every once in a while your lack of capitals is really annoying.

Sexually wrong to wear shiny shoes but not to cover from sexual lustings from men?

Posie - what's the purpose of young girls wearing shiny, high heeled boots? Surely you can see that this is encouraging young girls to see themseleves as sexual objects.

Have you asked any young girls why they wear the hijab - 9/10 cases the answer wont be to stop sexual lustings from men.

I think we should all keep calm, and not let other posters get to us so much

I don't like patent knee high boots on little girls.

I can't be arsed starting another thread, but I do have a genuine question; I get that second/third generation immigrants to a country might well identify fully with the country of parental/gradparental origin; I haven't heard anyone describe themselves "just" as Irish or Italian or Indian iirc, BUT, I wouldn't necessarily have heard them describe themselves as English either - it's not that common a conversational topic, really! And when I was younger I always described myself as half-Irish, even though my mum and dad were both born in England. Don't think my sister ever has, though.

My question is; how many generations does it generally take for the country of origin to become less of a cultural tie than the country of birth? In some communities, might it never happen? Now, before people get all excited, I am NOT saying that having a stronger cultural tie to country of origin somehow makes you a bad citizen blah blah - what I'm talking about is just that sense of self, sense of who and what you are, etc.

I mean, no-one would now say they were Norse/Viking as a means of describing their sense of self, but the Vikings came a Very Long time ago, and also had similar looks and language to the Germanic peoples living in England, so maybe that's part of it.

God, I'm rambling.

Posie - maybe you should start a thread on young girls wearing knee high patent boots? Just a thought....

tsc...your style is better suited to a Yates on a Friday night with your comical 'love'.

Why is opposing the way some, if not all, religions practice fucked up? If I started a thread talking about how only my dd has to help with housework or not allowed to sit A levels because she's a girl people would be outraged. But if we say "As a catholic/Muslim/Starbright religion from Mars, my dd is not allowed to get educated past the age of sixteen" we have to accept it. Well I don't buy it, I don't buy into the acceptance of inequality just because it's written in an old book.

I'm sure I must have posted about the little girl who was in a pushchair, but clearly too big so about three and a half, with knee high boots, mini skirt, fishnets and a dummy!! I kid you not.

Wow...you seem to be p*ed off with lots of things...maybe just concentrate on the girls in miniskirts and lay off the ones wearing hijabs..i know which one is more harmful!

Really? Italians and Spanish children dress in tiny skirts with pretty knickers and they don't seem to have high teen pg rates. Chinese clothing for children is lacy, sexualised and they aren't known for their casual attitudes to sex either.

Anyway I should really be worrying about how I'm going to pay my £374 scottish power bill!!

maybe because these countries in general are a lot more conservative and religious.

spanish lady touch the ground, spanish lady touch the ground, spanish lady do the kicks, spanish lady show your knicks.

Anyone remember that?

I'm sick and tired of radical muslims getting all the attention in the media.

What about all the awesome Buddhists, gnarly Hindus and most excellent Jews?

Spikey.

i'll say it for the last time as we are going round in circles. I don't think you are a bigot or racist but you don't seem to grasp what people have been saying and twist their meaning. I just think you don't phrase yourself well and come over a bit hysterical as you obviously are ignoring the points people are making and seeing it all as an attack on your Italian heritige . If you can point to any of my posts that said you were english and not Italian, I'll run naked through the town in a Hijab. I can imagine the Daily Mail would have a field day.

Hahahhahhaha to "most excellent jews"

I've looked over the thread and seen exactly where misunderstandings came about, on both sides.
I am not Alf Garnett. If you were answering questions repeatedly and not being understood you may get cross too.
And also, things can be implied, but not said directly. You also have to read between the lines of posts. A few of you did explicitly say you have no problem with what I call myself, that's fine. But when that's said and you are still answering the questions about why you think you're Italian it can go either way.
Don't think you're racist either, just picked up on the polluted word for malicious purposes, as you said i was BNP

well lets call it quits then and I can understand some of your reactions as you were a bit cornered and outnumbered. I'd have come out fighting too.

Ok. It is quite funny looking back on it. Bet the whole of Mumsnet were in hysterics

hb...You like seeing little girls having to cover their heads then?

It is ridiculous to compare shoes and head covers. Unless patent shoes become a symbol of faith, or something a girl is obliged to do for cultural purposes, with the danger of being ousted by the community if not adhering.

You can take or leave shoes, whereas covering is an indication that you need protection from men, or you need to not excite men, at 10!
That is quite twisted in my humble opinion.

Blinkers for men, then?