To be stunned....babies feel no pain statement.

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I work as a carer and a lovely lady who I work with told me that her grandson was circumcised a week ago (part of their religion) at 4 weeks old, by a priest and although hes still a bit sore its better to have it done when they are little because babies don't feel pain .
Having 2 kids who are now adults I'm afraid I'm inclined to disagree with her.
I'd like to clearly state that I'm not against circumcision for what ever reason I just find it strange that she should think that babies dont feel pain .

Piercing a babies ears is a preference it is not a cultural practice?

'Cultural practice generally refers to the manifestation of a culture or sub-culture, especially in regard to the traditional and customary practices of a particular ethnic or other cultural group. In the broadest sense, this term can apply to any person manifesting any aspect of any culture at any time. However, in practical usage it commonly refers to the traditional practices developed within specific ethnic cultures, especially those aspects of culture that have been practiced since ancient times'

Most of the links I have posted show that circumcision evolved as "A covenent with God".

Not really anything to do with germs, or what girls expect.

OOHHH! I've had a good idea! Neonatal BOOB JOBS!

It's the logical extention of what you're suggesting ... men like boobs, they prefer big ones - so lets get the boobs up and ready to go before the baby is a real person with a complex neural pain network (or the complex neural pain network that we are going to acknowledge, anyway)

pickledbabe i think asserting someone is 'talking bollocks' and saying 'who the fuck are you anyway' would in most people's definition be regarded as verbally aggressive. The fact you think a foreskin is the prerequisite to 'comfortable sex' for a man is totally laughable.

Of course babies feel pain-don´t most cry at the PKU test?

Can´t believe that people still believe this tbh-I would think it is more of a case that the babies can´t remember it!

ear piercing in culture

the cultural development of ear piercing

The fact that you think you have the right to remove a part of your son's sex organs before he is old enough to have any say in the matter is fucking hilarious.

coldtiz yes most cultrual practices come from religion ..that is because religion used to provide the boundaries and 'rules' for peoples lives. So for example the whole thing about eating pork in the Jewish faith..why does that exist because they eat every other animal..so why this cultural practice? Well because it lowered productivity of the work force because food poisoning from pork at one time was hugely problematic..but how can we get the masses to stop consuming it...ahhh I know we will tell them God said it was wrong to eat pork...problem solved. The religious backdrop (remember religion was created by man) to cultural practices is so it is easier to enforce things.

And now we have a freezer in almost every modern household, rendering the banning of pork unnecessary. People therefore cling to that for religious reasons.

And now we have soap in almost every modern household, rendering genital mutilation unnecessary. People therefore cling to it for cultural reason.

ok lennon, then what was the real reason all those years ago for cirumcision? hygiene wasn't a big factor before they knew about bacteria, but tehy still circumcised. why?

Look, do it or don't do it - your choice. But don't have it done under the illusion of health, which has been refuted by the American Association of Pediatrics, or for preference, which has been proven not to be an issue here. You're taking your son's foreskin off because you don't like it.

Okay Boooyhooo my conversation with you here ends I am afraid because hygiene was clearly a big factor 'before they knew about bacteria'..lmao. The reason it exists was because it was practical in terms of hygiene when bathing was not as easily accessible as it is today.

booooooooooyhoo what do you think is the hygiene reason underlying other cultural mutilations of children: female circumsion, chinese foot binding .

sometimes culture is just evil. for some reason that is hard to understand mutilation children is a feature of many human cultures, and now in the 21st C we should be ashamed, and stop doing it.

I note you've stopped having a conversation with me too - didn't you like my links? Or my point that 'soap' is now a viable alternative to genital mutilation?

www.circinfo.net/pdfs/GFW-EN(alt).pdf

Colditz they change their mind often about guidence on things and for every study you fnd which says its not beneficial there are plenty which say it is..there is not actually any dispute about many of the health benefits..they just feel that it is not beneficial enough to be done as standard, hence that guidence.

If it isn't beneficial enough for it to be done as standard, what is so non standard about your situation?

I dont think she knows what to say to colditz..

Maybe she's got ger fingers in her ears and is whistling so she doesn't have to partake in a reasoned discussion.

stubbonhubby I am not arguing about fucking female genetal mutilation or foot binding which are both illegal and forms of child abuse. You can have your children removed from you for FGM but not male circumcision so what does that suggest..yes that those arguments you use are badly informed and very weak!

I would raise issues with the reserch used to develop your linked document.

I do not know ONE MAN who has EVER had a problem with his penis as a direct result of not being circumcised as a baby.

yet your article claims that this is the case with 1 in 3 men! Where are all these men?

I cannot imagine looking at my beautiful, perfect newborn baby and thinking - ooh,
god made a mistake with you! Better lop a bit of your penis off.

What is wrong with people? Don't chop bits of someone else's body without their consent, especially not without paid relief. Lennon, you do not own your children, their bodies are not yours to do what you want with - your son is a whole, complete human being in his own right.

SH I don't think tehre is any hgiene reason for those things. i never said tehre was

lennon - stubbornhubby is a man, therefore has a penis and is allowed to comment on the removel of part of it for cultrual, religious or aesthetic purposes.

Why is it child abuse to remove a clitoral hood and not to remove the male physiological equivalent? both leave the glans intact, both cause a HUGE amount of DOCUMENTED pain - could it be because it's Americans who like to circumcise their boys? If it was a country's culture to remove the tip of a male baby's little finger before the child is 14 days old, do you think you'd have something to say about that?

MoonUnitAlpha..firstly I am an atheist so your God thing is not going to influence me but...as you think God never makes mistakes I put this to you..say your lovely newborn had a big growth sticking out of his head..would God have put that there then? Best leave it there then I suppose? Or his eyes were crossed...again no point trying to fix Gods handy work? ..yup a shite argument..lol.

lennon, bacteria was first discovered in the 1600's. circumcision was practised long before then. how can you justify your position using hygiene reasons when this was happening long before bacteria was known of?