To be stunned....babies feel no pain statement.

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I work as a carer and a lovely lady who I work with told me that her grandson was circumcised a week ago (part of their religion) at 4 weeks old, by a priest and although hes still a bit sore its better to have it done when they are little because babies don't feel pain .
Having 2 kids who are now adults I'm afraid I'm inclined to disagree with her.
I'd like to clearly state that I'm not against circumcision for what ever reason I just find it strange that she should think that babies dont feel pain .

what i am disputing is the fact that you assume any woman who prefers a foreskin is only saying so becasue that is what she has ended up with and not because it is actually what she prefers.

you simply cannot speak for all other women jsut because it is what you prefer and you are ttying to justify doing it to your son.

and btw i am in no way offended on behalf of any man as i do not have an OH.

I dont feel booooyhoooo that I have to 'justify' what I was 'doing to my son' because if I actually believed for a single second a foreskin was preferable I would leave it on my child. I am not trying to 'justify' anything I am simple trying to rid people of misconceptions about circumcision as I hear stupid people thinking it is comparable with female genital mutilation and it pisses me off how ignorant people can be..that is all.

ok i am not going to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

Miasma I am having my son circumcised because I believe it will be better for his general health and sexual health. To suggest it is some thing sinister and has anything to do with my own sexuality is highly offensive. If you read the thread I listed the hygiene and ability to last longer in bed as another pro and was questioned about it which is how wew got to where we are. I find your comment highly offensive but it speaks volumes about your inability to engage in a discussion without throwing a low blow like that.

lennon80 - you're talking bollocks on your reasons for circumcision.

My DH has a short foreskin, not circumcised, and it can be quite uncomfortable for him when we have sex without a condom, because he's got nothing to move with. the lube on the condom creates the movement, and without it, his short foreskin is being pulled to the limits.

It doesn't look nicer than a penis with a foreskin (sorry DH!) - it looks like it's been worn, and the top end isn't lovely and soft and baby pink, it looks like hard skin.

Do you not think that would be better as his own choice to make as a sexually active adult? You know, when he can say "Please cut a piece of my penis off, I find the sight of my naturally evolved foreskin repulsive and I think other people will too. Make sure you use an anaethestic please, because I didn't have it done as a baby, before I was a human being with a complex neural set up and the ability to say "Ow, Mummy, please don't cut me any more, it really hurts and I need some pain relief if you are going to cut pieces of my body off", and I'm doing all this because it will give me a 45 second headstart in bed!"

oh, and I would question your hygiene thing too - I wouldn't have sex with a man who didn't wash his bits, whether he had a foreskin or not - you can still be bloody smelly and horrible without a foreskin.
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'Washing' is the preferred method of producing hygienic conditions in most countries. The hands are far dirtier than the foreskin - to you intend to whip them off at the wrist?

pickledbabe it is a shame he wasnt circumcised because if he had been then he wouldnt have this problem. Foreskins can cause lots of problems making sex uncomfortable for men thats why the NHS have to carry so many out for health reasons on adult males.

I personally have had sex with both. I see no benefit in the removal of a body part. My own feelings for the men in question were not relevant.

80% of british men are uncircumcised because women, the majority of women, do not say to them "Errr, yuk, cut that thing OFF!"

They do not say it because they do not think it. The majority of women are happy with foreskins on penises.

Women have their breasts removed for health reasons on the NHS - shall we remove them all?

People have moles removed on the NHS - is every mole dangerous?

you know what my breasts have the potential to cause me a lot of trouble. the could cause back pain, i could develop breast cancer, any new partners might not enjoy the feeling of them, should i have had them lobbed of at the onset of puberty by my parents without any say in the matter?

why on earth aren't you against circumcision?

Cutting pieces off babies is cultural. It is never about health and hygiene.

Do you feel unable to wash your child frequently enough to keep him clean without cutting pieces off, Lennon? because there are certain routines you can put in place at bedtime, such as baths and showers, that will help with this.

oops, xpost colditz

"pickledbabe it is a shame he wasnt circumcised because if he had been then he wouldnt have this problem. Foreskins can cause lots of problems making sex uncomfortable for men thats why the NHS have to carry so many out for health reasons on adult males."

what?! that doesn't make any sense at all.
If he had no foreskin at all then he wouldn't have any movement, and it would be even more uncomfortable.
His foreskin is short enough that it looks circumcised to the untrained eye (I spent some time looking for a scar because he didn't know if he was circumcised or not)

Who the fuck are you, anyway, to judge that God was wrong in giving males foreskins?
To me, the natural, proper and right way is the way that we were born.

I'm happier with bits not cut off too.

Perhaps the lady meant that he won't really remember it....i.e pain, so younger the better.

I've yet to meet a man from the States who was not circumcised. And will never research it any further....

I wasnt suggesting anything sinister and I'm sorry if your assption that I had upset you.

What I meant was your projecting your own penis preferences on your son. All the health stuff is crap and you know it.. You want to do it because you prefer a circumcised penis and therefore believe ever other human being should too.

It's his penis how about you let him choose what he does with it ?

colditz..why do you think cultural practices exist they do so for a reason often hygiene and health is one of those.

Sorry if this offends anyone else but this poster is verbally very aggressive.

pickledbabe so you think all circumcised men in the world have uncomfortable sex...no they just have women who are turned on before they try to shove their dick in them. Why not ask your husband to do that...turn you on I mean?

God gave men foreskins did he..right okay..lmfao. He gave people cancer then too didnt he so should we leave that well alone too?

cultural practises exist for hygiene and health reasons???

piercing babies' ears is for health reasons?

ooh, I think i'm not being verbally agressive, but I think you've taken it personally.
I think you've hit a raw nerve there.

look here

and here

here

especially this bit "Paediatrician Paul Fleiss, writing in Lancet, considers these cortisol levels and heart rates to be ?consistent with torture? [3]."

and here, where it is clearly stated that the practice evolved for religious and cultural reasons"

I especially am interested in this bit - "In March of 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics revised its circumcision policy statement and concluded that there is not sufficient data to support the supposed potential health benefits of circumcision. The organization no longer advocates routine neonatal circumcision."