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to take out my dc who has the pox?

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sleeplessinseatle · 29/09/2010 18:21

Obviously not to playgroups etc, but I've got a baby at home and don't think I can cope otherwise. Is there anywhere we can safely go where there won't be lots of kids/pregnant women?

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BrightLightBrightLight · 03/10/2010 10:41

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Goblinchild · 03/10/2010 10:42

I'll stop being 'helpful' then deemented. Smile
I agree that those involved need much better answers from MNHQ, and need to know who exactly Susan is. I'd hate it to become general gossip fodder for those uninvolved who just want to gawp at the carcrash.
So I'm leaving the thread now, and I'm so sorry that a useful, informative and honest topic went so very wrong.

Rockbird · 03/10/2010 10:44

Soggymaltedmilk, I'm sure whatever else is happening that the techs know what they're doing. I don't for a minute believe they took this step lightly.

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CazEM · 03/10/2010 10:46

I am the blog she follows. Please please do not start implying I'm a fake. My daughter, Belle, was born sleeping 15 weeks ago tomorrow. Check my profile out, my beautiful girl is very real... My heart breaks every day and I'm not in a good place - which is why I've not commented on this thread up until now.

Thanks dee shab and others.

Lets not turn this into a witch hunt please of anyone else on the bereaved mummies thread.

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deemented · 03/10/2010 10:50

Gee MNHQ - I hope you're feeling ever so proud of yourselves this morning. Have you any idea what you've done? Or is it that you simply don't care?

Some answers would be great.

Casserole · 03/10/2010 10:51

No-one thinks you're a fake, Caz, I promise you that. I think what that poster meant, if anything was that if SS's was a fake blog, that she could have taken hints on writing style from your own real one.

I am not saying this is what happened. Just trying to correct any feeling that fingers were being pointed at you.

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ShowOfHands · 03/10/2010 10:53

I am so sorry that this thread has turned out this way.

I would like to say a couple of things if I may?

It has been touched on on here and on SS's blog that bereaved mothers are somehow not welcome across MN. I don't mean not welcome really and I know that the bereaved mothers of MN don't feel that way in general, I mean that you have seem the awkward silences and read the bumbling comments, that you occupy the space between the crashing reality of bereavement and the occasional uncomfortable silence of a larger board when confronted by it. But I wanted to say that I love to hear about your children. I don't read the bereavement threads as I have no need to but I see you all across MN and I read about your children as you mention them. I know about Shabba's wonderful boys (the phrase 'grabbing life by its balls' seems to ring a bell!) and MrsDeVere's beautiful dd and Caz's little baby Belle and lots of other beautiful children. Sometimes I think of them outside of MN, when I hear about gutsy little boys who ride their bikes with joy or beautiful teenage girls who are the apple of their mother's eye. I think of your children. And I welcome you talking about them. I don't want to belong to a Mumsnet that isn't made up of such a beautiful and sometimes heartbreaking fabric of lives.

Threads like this grow into monsters. They seem to take on a life. They seem to imply things about the status of a bereaved mother, about her place on the board and how she is treated. And I know that there are pockets of unimaginable nastiness and thoughtless, damaging comments that cut deep. But the rest of us, the overwhelming majority of us are not like that. And people speculate on these threads and they think out loud and it's crass yes but I hope borne of confusion and shock for the large part. Sadly, I think people want to understand something they can't.

MNHQ have a troll policy and it brings them a lot of grief and a lot of work. I think they have to adhere to it and they have done. If I know Justine et al (and of course I don't really but I know they have integrity), then their dialogue with Sassy and with anybody else on here will be open. They will strive to find the truth of any given situation. Of course Sassy doesn't have to talk to them and why should she? But I do think MNHQ are doing their level best to protect MN and its users.

And in this statement I make no reference to Sassy: It's a disgusting and inescapable fact of the Internet that there are emotionally vampyric trolls and on this parenting website and a hundred others that has its bereaved parents, the two things can and have come together in a despicable way. It has happened historically. It will happen again. I have never found an answer to it, no matter how much it happens. And MNHQ's refrain that all we can do is guard how much we give or ourselves is about the sum of it. That there are people willing to give themselves over to helping others time and time again is a wonderful thing and I don't think it's exaggerating to say that it has saved people's sanities, if not their lives. And it's brilliant. It is terrible that for the thousand honest and lovely genuine posters, there will one with other motives. We can't police them, hunt them, understand them or prevent them. I only hope to God that the women from those bereaved threads don't feel isolated and alienated because of it. I know nothing of losing a child but I understand that you're already isolated and alienated by grief that only those going through it can understand. Please don't ever feel that it isolates you or separates you from MN as a whole.

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pinkgrasshopper · 03/10/2010 11:01

Beautifully put SoH- my sentiments and I'm sure those of many.

TiggyD · 03/10/2010 11:10

Definition of Troll [wikipedia]:

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

Trolling has nothing to do with lying or dishonesty in any way. It's about saying things to cause an argument and upset.

deemented · 03/10/2010 11:10

SoH - That is an amazing post, and i'm touched (yeah i know, but seriously, i mean it)

TBH it does feel at times that there are elements on MN where we aren't welcome. Sometimes, if we mention our children the whole 'Oh ... right... so what were we saying?' mentality kicks in and it is hard. Then sometimes you become 'Dee - yeah, the one whose baby died' it's hard.

But thank you for understanding, for getting it.. for Having a clue.

mumbar · 03/10/2010 11:14

SoH - perfect. thankyou.

frasersmummy · 03/10/2010 11:14

justine never said sassy was wwc (whoever that might be)

she said

Hi all,
I'm afraid that SassySusan is definitely a troll - one that we've banned at least four times in the past under different incarnations for posting to mislead and cause trouble.

It's very unfortunate that he/she's now posted in this topic as people are clearly extremely emotionally vulnerable here. It is, I suppose, technically possible that her current story is true - i.e that in at least four previous incarnations she lied about her personal details but in this case was telling the truth, but it's extremely unlikely and given folks' vulnerability we thought it best to ban her as soon as we found out his/her identitly.

triplets · 03/10/2010 11:17

Thank you SOH, I don`t know you but you have put it so well, it is very difficult not to get your to want to defend, give the benefit of the doubt etc to someone who has lost a child. It is difficult in the virtual world on here to exactly know the truth behind the posters, but we genuinely want to believe in that person, sometimes we are wrong, taken in, but thats not often.People judge all too quickly, we all do it at times, but thats being human.I am a very old dear friend of Shabs, we met thru Compassionate Friends after we both lost our Matthews, we go back a very long way. If anyone should be listened to on here its Shabs, she is very honest, very wise, been thru the hell of losing a child twice, God knows how she survived, she has helped so very many of us on here, thak God for friends like her. It would be so nice if we all could just get on, be kind, life is hard enough.

Feenie · 03/10/2010 11:17

Yes, she did.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 02-Oct-10 18:12:10

The first incarnation was Washwithcare.

PixieOnaLeaf · 03/10/2010 11:17

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loveinsuburbia · 03/10/2010 11:21

Static IPs aren't actually that unusual anymore and even in the days of dial-up some ISPs (such as Demon, for example) would assign the same hostname/IP each time you connected. I've had the same IP with cable broadband for years and years. So really, it just depends but having the same IP each time is not 'rare' as most of us have an always on connection these days so most ISPs can't get away with having a smaller pool of addresses to use and dynamically assign in order to conserve them. You certainly don't have to buy a static IP (although some ISPs will try to charge for the privilege) - that's when you start getting ranges.

MNHQ didn't, as far as I know, say it the evidence was based on IP though, did they?

With regards to the IP of mobile phones - the IP of your laptop and mobile will come up as the same if you're using wireless to access the internet from your phone. If you're connecting over your phone's 3G connection then the IPs will be different. Usually, your router will receive an external IP from your service provider and all the devices on your network will receive an internal IP (not viewable to the outside world) from your router.

neytiri · 03/10/2010 11:28

justine also posted to say "I'm afraid there was enough in the bank to make us seriously doubt her story" wwc is the only other posting name mentioned so far, but it was also said that ss has been banned at least 4 times this year, presumably under other names. would it help if mn posted the other suspected mn guises?, or just fuel the fire?

asdx2 · 03/10/2010 11:31

I just can't believe that the same person wrote WWC's posts as well as SS's. The phrasing is different, the structure is different, the vocabulary used doesn't fit.It would be nigh on impossible to use such different styles particularly when posting in the heat of the moment as SS undoubtedly did.

Northernlurker · 03/10/2010 11:32

Neytiri - other people have said it would help to know when the other ids posted. WWC was definately before Susan started posting and if they're all before - well it really would suggest that when the worst happened she came here 'for real'.
I just can't get my head around this at all - so terrible for all the bereaved mums.

PixieOnaLeaf · 03/10/2010 11:33

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arfasleep · 03/10/2010 11:37

Just wanted to make everyone aware that although SassySusan has been prevented from contributing to MN, doesn't mean (I would assume) that she can't read it, it is an open forum. Nothing I've read further from my last post convinces me that Susan is now fake, whatever her history.

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