to be getting annoyed at people booing the pope

[yawningprincess]

i know the children abuse issues are pretty horendous but why do people have to stand there booing- its so rude! in other cultures such disrespect simply wouldn't be allowed.

I am sure we can agree to disagree then kaloki? hey-ho.

shellio, what do you think would be gained by Ratzinger and his cronies suffering the way he has let so many suffer?
Do you think that I, and thousands of others who have suffered as children at the hands of the Catholic Church would want to wish our suffering on anyone?

I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Sounds good to me :)

bb - I think to ref. in wiki made above made some explanation - williamson was not recognised due to his 'consecrator' not having the authority to perform that service. That issue then became wrapped up with the timing of williamson's daft views coming t olight. Agree the Vatican could have bee nmore careful, at least, but that doesn't equate to "Pope loves nazi-deniers" sort of headlines.

in fact the Pope made reference to life in Germany under the NAzis in Birmingham this morning.

Yes, perhaps in the middle of the night and you wake up with nightmares and flashbacks and you can't function properly the next day, but in the cold light of day - no- because then that would make me as bad as they are.
Of course I still want them to burn in hell which was what they used to frighten us with as children.

ok kaloki.

shellio, just because you don't understand, there's no need to be offensive.
As the OP says, a bit of respect EVERYwhere goes a long way.

Ok everyone i am really sorry for what i wrote. It just makes me sad/angry all the bad things that have gone on. I am going now, so everyone can carry on the debate without me.

The strange thing for me is that all the recent 'defending' I've felt I've had to do recently has resolved and strengthened my faith. As somebody who has not attended church in about 5 years I have found myself there in the last few weeks.
I guess life and apathy were in the way.

If Catholics feel personally hurt because their beliefs are being attacked then that is unfortunate. But everyone else also feels hurt when their beliefs are attacked. If we are going to be a society in which it is possible to discuss ideas, then individuals will have to put up with that discomfort - and no group should be excused from it.

This does not excuse personal attacks on people or plain rudeness.

YANBU if it means that catholics who have suffered at the hands of the church are booing.

YABU if you are saying that those who are not catholics are booing at the pope for not being pro women and their bodies and pro gay.

If it's not your religion then why would you ccare. Many religions are any women and anti gay so why take it out on the Pope if you are not catholic.

I'm not catholic so I couldn't give two hoots if they don't want women priests.

My booing to the faith is their stance in relation to contraception in developing countries as opposed to their own country. It's causing deaths.

bb- read the article referred to above in detail. Also, if you googled "williamson and the Pope" you will find a whole series of articles that examine the 'clumsiness' of dealing with the head of the nasty org. he was involved in, rather than focussing on williamson's views on the Holocaust. All you read will point out the 'admission' by Vatican officials that they got this wrong - they were keen to heal a long division with the SSPX, and Willaimson got in there with it, making an offensive tv interview on Swedish tv the same day he was 'allowed back in'.

If Williamson is the 'winning arguement' that the Pope is a friend of the Nazis or any such then it falls here over Williamson.

Lord knows Ratzinger has lots of other stuff to reflect on.

oh nonsense. You aren't keen on reading stuff properly, are you? Throughout I have said people have a right to boo the Pope if they wish to, more so as it is billed as a "state visit". Also, can you point to where Williamson was convicted in a German court for being a holocaust denier? Really, I have missed that and I am a bit disappointed if I have missed it.

this may take a bit of reading but it is the letter from the Pope addressed to Bishops throughout the world, getting as close as a Pope can get to making a mistake. Everything in propotion, bb.

over and out.

and here it is 10,000 euros for denying the deaths of Jews in gas chambers. Had missed it, but found it.

oh dear. I have given up. It's nothing to do with the Pope's feelings.