Not Really AIBU but amusing twist on old favourite: Disabled/Baby Change Loos

[QueenSconetta]

I know its quite a regular topic here, and I myself have moaned complained whined discussed parents using a disabled toilets with their children.

The other day I was a supermarket in a different town and was quite amused to see all the old ladies going into the baby change room cos it was big enough to fit their trollies in! I did wonder how they got on with using the mini toilet though

One can never win this one me thinks.

Considering there are under 250,000 people needing a changing places facility and a population of near 70 million- it means there is aprrox 1 person in every 280,000.

If a mum with a buggy uses this facility in the absence of a family room, rather than leave her child alone or struggle with them in a small changing room, is she really, in all reality taking anything away from those that need it? I suggest that it is you that feels entitled.

I am of course trying to give you some perspective- I am not including those with less severe disabilities or talking about ordinary accessible.

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oh I do agree, I find the sense of entitlement to use facility's not allocated to you(as in non disabled using disabled toilets) shocking,

god forbid they should miss out on anything, petty jealousy at it's worst imo.

funny how they never see to want the disability as well.

Chip, the near 70 million non-disabled people are already well catered for, the world and its toilets are set up for their convenience.

If the mum with a buggy is not well catered for, why cant she campaign for better facilities to meet her needs?

There are about 200 changing places in the UK, divided by a quarter of million!

Can you have a sense of entitlement to something you are entitled to?

An entitlement is based on established rights or by legislation. Disabled people are entitled to these facilities.

A sense of entitlement is an idea that you are entitled to something, when you are not.

You may what to consider that before accusing anyone.

Then, as there is no law, as already mentioned, those mums with buggies are perfectly entitled to use the disabled toilets.

I wasn't suggesting you weren't entitled to use the disabled facilities- I was suggesting that you seem to feel entitled to the exclusive use of them.

Chip, so you have to be told what to do by the Law, you have no morals, values, standards?

There is no Law that says you cannot cheat on your husband/wife, so does that mean you are entitled to cheat?

Seriously is that how you live your life?

Your own sense of moral value is just that- your own. You can't expect the world to live by your morals- someone else may see your morals as wrong.

I thought you were basing your own entitlement on the legislation (which is the law)- I think you are contradicting your own arguments now so I will leave you to it and let you have the last word.

And in regards to mums campaigning for better facilities- than yes- it would be good as was discussed up the thread. I only hope a disabled person doesn't want to use them though in the event that the disabled toilet might be engaged, and the family room empty- They wouldn't be entitiled and there could be a mum with a buggy along any minute.....

(Claw. If you are getting the last word can you make it Cock-monkey. Just for me....>>

good grief. what a nasty point, doy you really think the short term inconvenience that parents go through can even be compared to being disabled for life
I really think if parenting is that hard, well perhaps you should give up.

IS IT TOO EARLY TO KILL ATHREAD??

If I managed a building with public toilet facilities, I would spend a short time monitoring the occupancy and queueing levels, and then I'd evaluate whether there was a case for the "disabled" toilets to become "accessibility" toilets, catering for buggies, families etc.

If the disabled toilets were in constant use by disabled persons already, then a change of use would not be justifiable.

If the disabled toilets were unused 90% of the time whilst the regular toilets frequently had queues and parents were struggling with small children and pushchairs, then I would be making better use of the facilities that already exist, in the knowledge that more people will benefit at no disadvantage to those with disabilities.

I would not be contemplating creating further toilet facilities whilst maintaining a facility which was predominently empty.

Disclaimer: I am not a toilet manager.

Chip, you fell back on "then as there is no Law to say a mum shouldnt, she would be entitled to". I have said the whole time, there is no Law to say who cannot use them, it is a moral choice.

I will assume that you dont feel, as the majority would that because there is no Law that says you cannot cheat on your husband/wife, it entitles you to cheat.

You can't have morals, then not have the same morals, based on what suits you for that moment.

Yes best we give up on the arguement, because your point is getting more and more obscure.

If disabled toilets met legal requirements, more disabled people would be able to use them, but something like 95% dont.

So if you have a disabled toilet standing empty, it is more than likely that many disabled people CANT use them.

Disabled people are campaigning for disabled toilets to meet legal requirements and have 200 to share amoungst a quarter of a million and you want them too!

Its like living in a 40 year old time warp!

I give up, cockmonkey! (especially for you Pag

claw give up.
it looks like disabled toilets have gone the same way as wheelchair spaces on the bus, mummies need them more!!!
they have such hard lives

Cock Monkey

I have, hands up in the air, i give up!

Im off to stand outside the disabled loo in my local supermarket to wait for mum's with buggies, giving out incontinence products, syringes, colostomy bags and wheelchairs, i might even bite their hands and smash their heads against the wall, just in case they feel they are missing out on something

(obviously i wouldnt do this) COCK MONKEY

Well 2shoes, you can always have my crippling pain in your joints, and my epilepsy. Not to mention the agony I have to go through just to walk every day. Just so I wont have to use those damn wheelchair spaces with my buggy. Then maybe I can use a sling like normal mums and not have to be tutted at and treated like crap just for being disabled without a damn neon sign for you to gawp at.

LithaR
um. How on earth can youthink that 2shoes is in anyway unsupportive of a mum with disabilities using any space they need to.

2shoes is frustrated at disabled spaces being given up to and used by parents who want space rather than need it.

I think you are shouting at the wrong person.

This thread is now officially ridiculous

Cock Monkey

LithaR read the sodding posts,
I would think you would be one of the people I am defending .

but then again in this world who knows.

i reckon we should have a hijack a mummies stuff day
we can all go an use the stuff mummies love so much, the accessible toilets(well it is easier you know)
the P&T bays(well we have kids)
and sit in their seats on the busses:o

Cock Monkey

I agree with littlecarrot. When space is at a premium for us all, it makes no sense to me to have a toilet cubicle sitting empty and unused almost all the time whilst others have to queue.

I don't see it as a mummy issue at all, I don't have kids. I've always thought that disabled toilets are toilets that have been adapted so that disabled people can use them. I have never thought it meant you can't use it unless you are disabled.

Morris it boils down to not that you can't use a diasabled loo if you do not have a disability but whether you ought to

Sorry- I had to come back- It is utterly ridiculous of you to suggest that mums take spaces designed for wheelchair uses on buses. I have never ever seen any wheelchair user turned away from a bus or train or anywhere else because there was a buggy user there. I cannot imagine any parent not immediately folding up their pram or vacating the space. I do not drive so use the bus everyday and have for years- if you see this on a regular basis then you live in a different world to me. And to suggest that mums with prams take out their babies and fold up the buggy on the off-chance that that a disabled person might get on the bus is just plain daft. Maybe having a disability or a child with a disability has given some of you a distorted view of the world.

LithaR- I think you have misunderstood 2shoes- she is fighting your cause and you are well within your rights to sit in the disabled space on the bus.

The sign on my bus says- please give up these seats for elderly or disabled people- NOT Please keep these seats vacant at all times just in case.

chips I have seen lots of threads about it. it does happen(I never use buses with dd as imo they are unsafe for wheelchairs, but that is a whole other thread)