to hide the feminism topic?

[CerealOffender]

the thread titles are all so serious and worthy and make me feel frivolous and unsisterly.

I think the reason why many don't go and post, is because you're told over and over why your viewpoint is wrong, after a while you think whats the point - it's the same people, saying the same things - no other views are welcome

accusation of trolling/antifeminism/blah blah is pretty weak intellectually and detracts from robust,perhaps uncomfortable discussions. not all women share a lived experience or ideological commonality - we arent all the same .and broad brush generalisations about how women feel arent helpful either

MillyR, maybe we're here rather than in the feminist section because we've been roundly told we have no place there? I certainly have.

the frequent anti-feminist,troll squawk is unnecessarry digression

North:o but I loved your self reflexive observation. I agreed with a lot of that. The bits I understood without getting out my dictionary:o

Scaredoflove, exactly that it's the same posters and I am a relative noob, that I see trot out the same stuff day in day out, it tiresome.

No-one can have an opposing view or opinion as it's just wrong, that's it no debate they are right you are 100% wrong.

You cannot debate with people like that and as much as I like a good debate banging my head against a brick wall does and going around in circles for some same old does not appeal.

But like I say it does spill into other threads in other topics, where come hell or high water they can't be objective about the female role in a situation, it's always the woman who is right with some spiel about her rights bolded. Some people do come across on here as a bit man bashy, if I can say that and a bit controlling of how other women should think, it's uncomfortable reading at times.

'I think the reason why many don't go and post, is because you're told over and over why your viewpoint is wrong,'

Some of us have teenagers and bosses for that too.
I just don't have that level of incandescent rage any more, that wants to immolate anything I see as standing in my way.
Can't we be feminists of a different flavour over here having a chat, comparing similarities and differences and opinions?
On the B roads rather than blasting down the motorway? No polemics.

Goblinchild, hauling her dilapidated caravan down the motorway of life, being beeped at, sworn at and told that she knows fuck all about driving or what her destination should be.
Tra-la-la

OLKN, I don't see any problem with that. If loads of people want to discussion feminist issues in AIBU, I think that is a great idea.

As a (self-proclaimed(is there any other kind?))feminist I feel reading some of these posts. I hoped, when I saw the start of the feminism boards, that it would inspire alot of people to get involved, including some who may not have given it a second thought before.

I'm sure it has, sixpercenttruejedi, and I agree that the radical side of any political movement is essential before any real progress can be made.

I don't hide the feminist board, sometimes I post; but when I post on the subject I know most about, I am routinely shouted down.

So, mostly, I don't post.

for all I've said I'm a coward and only post infrequently

We are involved in feminist activities in our own lives and in our own way.
I'm a teacher, I've enabled a lot of girls to consider possibilities and their rights over the years. I've given a lot of boys a feminist perspective on events and activities. Small stuff, but I believe that change can be very effective when carried out at grass roots level.
I'm very happy for the Feminist boards to debate things in their own way, and to have others join them and learn. It's just not my particular choice.

MillyR, I'd just like to see more than one point of view "win the day". As it stands, and only ime, when you (sorry, really I mean I) give up arguing, the radfem lot appear en masse after you've stopped arguing, so the end of contentious discussions are always radfem, iyswim.

Puts on a little light whalesong and keeps on trucking.
Sleep Tight.

it's better than it used to be. sometimes there is actual discussion now.

i stopped posting there for similar reasons (am essentially humanist/ feminist and became frustrated about opinion from real live women being shut down because it did not conform) but have recently returned, on and off.

i've even seen a poster claiming to be involved in the sex industry listened to, unlike the last time she posted, when she was told she must be a man or a troll. (that was the clincher for me)

so, there are all sorts over there now, y'know. even some who aren't radfems.

Are you talking about my friend, mandamumu?

i am.
i love that she came back. i was appalled by the way she was treated.

I am much older than most people on her, and I have been involved in feminism for over 30 years. What I find depressing is that younger women are still saying the same things they said in the 1070s "Oh, feminists are shouty and strident" "I'm not a feminist - I like men too much""All feminists are man-haters""You're only a feminist because you're too ugly to get a man""I don"t understand all those long words""I said something once, someone disagreed so my views aren't welcome"" I like looking after my family, so I'm not welcome""I feel sorry for men""Feminists think all men are evil,I don"t, so I'm not welcome""It's all too intellectual for me" - and so on and so on. And the new one, which is really profoundly depressing is the "There's nothing left to fight for - all the battles have been won". Not to mention "Oh, it's gone too far the other way". Look around you - does this look like a world where all the battles have been won? We are governed almost entirely by men, women still earn significantly less than men, the poorest people in the world are women, the portrayal of women in the media remains largely shameful...I could go on. But I won't.

I find the Feminism topic very frustraing.

Once someone actually said women do not commit violent acts - when I pointed out that they do I was jeered at until I scurried back to Style and Beauty where admittedly the shallow feel more at home.

Sometimes I just find it utterly hilarious.

'It has been pointed out that academic feminism has been co-opted by the Patriarchy' is my favourite line this week.

"yes to all of the above but no to wanting to be harangued and called names for thinking that the world isn't actuallly black and white and that there are shades of grey everywhere and that feminism has to fit in with living a normal life."

Janitor, c'mere and let me kiss you.

Feminists have always been accused of haranguing and name calling when they point out that everything in the garden is not lovely. Just as women have always been called shrill and strident when they start questioning the status quo.

To quote Rebecca West "I am not entirely sure what a feminist is. I only know that I am accused of being one when I express views that differentiate me from a doormat" Or words to that effect.