to hide the feminism topic?

[CerealOffender]

the thread titles are all so serious and worthy and make me feel frivolous and unsisterly.

I have only been on the section once or twice but was also called names both times. I was called a vile rape apologist last time for feeling concerned about a woman who was being discussed. I felt it was a very black and white argument and the lack of intelligence on the thread about severe learning disabilities was actually quite frightening.

I would have considered myself a feminist aswell and have done some academic research on art forms and feminism and also read a fair bit of Susie Orbach with relevance to body image and feminsim but don't feel like I fit in over there.

It doesn't really matter though, I don't mind not fitting in and I am sure they don't care either:o It could also be that the only things I have joined in with have become a bit weird and heated, like all levely discussions

It's more of a US issue isn't it? I don't think of it as being an especially big thing over here, outside the Jewish community.

FWIW I never use the word "masculism" as I think it sounds too much like it is parodying the word "feminism", and is therefore easy to attack...

I am talking about circumcision at 15:00:54 above, just to clarify.

I understand you Lenin. I've lukred and posted here and do feel a bit weary when I see you another comment saying all posters over there are x,y or z or the feminist section is this or that blah blah blah for the nth time.

Then someone else posts to say how they went over there and it was horrible, everyone on there is mean and rude and probably a bit smelly and they won't be posting there ever again...repeatedly.

UQD - see what you did there.

You asked for a "man's issue".

TBE said "male circumcision".

You said ah but "the decision is taken by the mother. So it involves women as mothers.".

I think that this could be done about all and every topic under the sun - since we women and men live together on this planet and not in isolation.

For me it is more about looking at an issue from a female perspective and perhaps finding the places to do that because historically most things were viewed from a male perspective. (Indeed many believe this is the case at the moment = eg I find that an awful lot of items in the daily mail are not reported on from a femininst point of view - therefore I don't read the daily mail.)

Obv I mean 'lurked' and 'yet another comment' !

I'd be quite happy to have women's views in a Men's Issues forum anywhere. I think a lot of men would. I can't see the point of discussing them in isolation only with other men, tbh. I know a lot of people don't feel the same vice-versa.

I think sometimes feminism is pretty humourless - personally I find it a bit hard to make jokes about some of the more serious subjects such as rape and domestic violence.

We did have lots of dungaree/armpit hair plaiting jokes on the original thread though so it's not all doom and gloom!

TSH I don't want to be rude and ignore you but I think I have made my point of view pretty clear really. I think you need to have this conversation with dittany. No doubt you'll get a chance the next time she calls you antifeminist!

"Anyway, this will all come up again no doubt, but would be marvellous if it didn't. Just pop on a thread, say your bit and hide it if you want, or don't. "

Very well put.

Yes, it can be very irritating and offputting being accused of "derailing" when you have no idea what that is, and have never encountered the term before in that context.

tabouleh - in 10-15 years there won't be more men than women in my profession, and there is no need to "do anything" about it - more than 50% of new entrants are now women, and the gender balance is slowly being tilted in the opposite direction, as a result of women turning up and doing as good (or better!!) a job as their male colleagues, rather than moaning on about gender inequality in internet chatrooms!
Rape and domestic violence are criminal offences - not "feminist issues". Young men are statistically far more likely to be victims of violent crime than any other group - is that a "male issue"? - no, its a crime issue!!!

I'm a bit bemused as to what is a feminist issue if rape and domestic violence don't make the grade for you TBH.

Of course rape is a criminal offence, so is burglary. Burglary is not a gendered issue however - rape (and the attitudes surrounding it) on the whole is which is why feminists examine it. I don't think anybody would argue that rape is exclusively a feminist issue.

IloveDonaldDraper what would you define as feminist issues? I'm intrigued.

I would consider the rates of violence amongst men to be a male issue - just look at what happens to young men in US gang/shooting culture. The shooting of young, often black, men is a criminal offence, a male issue, a race issue, a violence issue, a social issue, a poverty issue etc.

I'm perplexed by this idea of an issue being exclusively 'owned' by one domain or another.