To be angry that 30 year old fatties are moaning!?!

[sugarray]

My little boy has recently been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. I was totally heartbroken when we found out! Since then when people have offered him sweets/at partys/in shops, when I have to tell people he can't have things and why, This is usually followed by chubbie thirty to fifty year olds moaning to me that they or a relative have type 2 diabetes and how hard it is for them!

Type 2 is self inflicted.... btw..
I am soo angry that this has happened to my son.... He is only 4 (through no fault of his own Or anyone else) I just want to shout at them to shut up,stop eating so much shit and move around a bit more!!

This may not make sense, but AIBU?

Sugarray, maybe people are going on to insult and judge you because they are offended and hurt by what you said. I'm not normaly the sort of person to be bothered in RL by things said on here, it's the internet after all, but I am truly shocked and hurt that you would write such a nasty thing on a site where plenty of people will no doubt have their own experiences of diabetes. It affects alot of people in alot of horrible ways, whether its type 1 or not, and you can't expect to post something nasty, judgemental, and innaccurate and then get sympathy. You deserve all the grief you get and more.

Sugarray you know YABU but I COMPLETELY understand how you are feeling. My DD was diagnosed with Type 1 last October when she'd just turned 3 and it knocks you off your feet, as it always does if you are told your child has a chronic condition. If you're anything like me you'll be feeling angry that this has happened to your child, wish it was you instead, wish it was anyone else other than your child etc. But you know your anger is misplaced and I think it's just because you're probably still feeling shocked about the whole thing.

Of course lifestyle can and does contribute to Type 2 but not always. My dad has Type 2 and it was no surprise to anyone as he was a textbook example of how NOT to lead your life if you wanted to avoid it, but I also have a friend with Type 2 who is very fit and healthy.

Type 1 diabetes is a horrible condition and it can be very hard to control in young children as I've found out. It breaks my heart when people say 'you must have been giving her too many sweets for her to get it then', and people don't understand the differences, mainly because the media in particular, never differentiate between the two.

I'm rambling now but I'm only just coming to terms with it myself so if you want to chat, please get in touch.

Thanks AuntiMaggie,

I'm gonna leave the fatty-bashers to it now (much better thread with lesbian lovers and invisible fanjos to be read - thanks fanjoforthemammeries!)

OP, I sincerely hope you're son is ok and you find a way to manage the diabetes with him able to lead a full life.x

Kitty - how can you tell by looking that my weight problmes were caused by an unfortunate combination of a medical condition and drugs? Not that it really matters. I'm a big fan of encouraging people to take responsibility for their actions - I don't know a single fat person who doesn't accept that they are overweight because of what they did (except when caused by other issues) themselves or what their paretns did. However there isn't a person with a serious weight problem that I know who doesn;t find the solution earth hsatterly difficult to address.

I was lucky and had some significant help from the NHS, from well trained people who specialised in teh field, were non-judgemental and realistic about the possibility of losing weight using various methods. Ironically people who are overweight (contrary to popular belief) cost the NHS less over their lifetime than slim people do, due to their younger death on average and lower chance of deveoping many of the old age related conditions.

Despite me essentially agreeing with you that people should be responsible for what they do to themselves (though how exactly you separate the lifestyle related bits of diabetes and the genetic component is beyond me) something about your phrasing and smuggery just makes me want to eat cream buns in front of you or better still force feed you with them!

Lol at Kitty
I am so sorry for using the word loathe

you think they are offensive to look at, you cannot tolerate that they don't take responsibility for what they put in their mouths, they are unattractive and when you see them they are always eating pastries...

you obviously don't loathe them

no loathe means to me that they is some kind of emotional involvement.
Ioathe the bnp
I loathe paedophiles for example

I don't like looking at morbidly obese people, no

and kew, no I wouldn't know the difference.

maybe they wouldn't like looking at you either!

LaraJade - I'm afraid you are so wrong ... My Dad has type 2 and is not overweight, although his lifestyle is far from impeccable but its simply not true that Type 2 has more serious complications !

The very fact that Type 2 does have a slower onset is exactly why Type 1 tends to be far more life threatening - in that in Type 1 the pancreas simply does not produce insulin ..Type 2's are insulin resistant ..Big difference.

Both types need management I agree - but the difference between a Type 2 taking a pill daily and checking their blood a couple of times a week and a Type 1 who needs to monitor bloods every three to four hours, everytime they eat and inject many times a day, is huge ..

I do know some Type 2s need insulin, but its not most of them ..the other issue with type 1 is that because its onset tends to be in the young, they have to live with it for much longer and the longer you live with Diabetes the higher your risk of serious complications such as heart problems, stroke, kidney failure and sight loss ..

I have sympathy with those of you who have Type 2, of course I do, diabetes sucks..
but what people with Type 2 fail to realise is just how vast the differences are between the types.. Again, calling them by different names would make life a lot easier for both types and allow them to be treated in their own right and not constantly compared with the other.

I have had too many people to count tell me that my daughter got Type 1 because I must have fed her too much sugar as a baby .. and tell her that she shouldnt eat sweets anymore... That is all disinformation which is bandied about due to the epidemic levels of Type 2 we are seeing and the confusion between types..
I'd love to see Type 2 renamed as something like Insulin resistance syndrome to make it clearer and stop all this ..

Megatron and Sugarray ..check out the CWD link I put up earlier in the thread... and I am happy to be CAT'd too if you need to talk.. I am a lot further down the line than both of you with this condition ...

kewcumber can you show me the evidence for you statement that slim people cost more than over weight people - I find it hard to believe but am happy to be shown that a slim person will need more medical care and cost more as we as a nation seem to be being told the opposite regularly

Riven

I was told the other day a good way to treat sore fingertips is to make a paste from epsom salts and water and apply it to the fingertips ..leave for a few minutes and then rinse and rub vitamin e oil into the finger tips..
Haven't tried it yet but am going to.. Was thinking ti might be easier while dd is asleep !!

Pagwatch - "contempuous-indiffernce-but-not-so-indifferent-as-not-to-have-an-opinion-about-it" is the word you're looking for not "loathe", silly

Curlymama im not asking for sympathy, i just stated i was suprised at the amount of double standards! And yes, plenty of people do have their own experiances of diabetes.... this is mine!

ivykate - I'll look for it it was based on a study done fairly recently I think

Duritzfan - have you ever thought of the possibility that type 2 could in some cases be more serious because it is slow onset? Meaning that because symptoms are hidden for longer, and people often go undiagnosed for longer, there is more chance of irrepairable damge being done to the body before it can be brought under control.

I'm well aware that the two types have vast differences, and type 1 can be harder to manage, but not always. It's not a competition over which type is worse, and if it were, the type 1s would not always win.

"I'd love to see Type 2 renamed as something like Insulin resistance syndrome" - that would make it even more confusing as you can be insulkin resistant wihtout being diabetic and even that can be genetic or due to lifestyle (or both)

Dutch study 2008 "Despite the higher annual costs of the obese and smoking cohorts, the healthy-living cohort incurs highest lifetime costs, due to its higher life expectancy," Pieter H. M. van Baal et al but I think there is a more recent one than that

Curlymama.. no ..the difference in type 2 - as I was trying to explain is that it is a a gradual reduction in the way the body repsonds to insulin ...

Type 1 is caused by ( in current thinking) a virus which attacks the pancreas and suddenly the body is left running at extremely high toxic glucose levels. This can happen over a good few weeks, we think my dd had it for almost three months before she was finally rushed to hospital in DKA..

Its the extremes that are usual with Type 1 that makes it different to Type 2.. and the amount of management you have to do..

The end result - complications can be the same - not better or worse for either Type - its not a competition - I never said it was ! But I know damn well which type of diabetes I would rather have ..and anyone with experience of both would. I am positive, say the same thing ..

How many Type 2s die in the night ? Because in Type 1 it happens much too often ...

Pagwatch - "contempuous-indiffernce-but-not-so-indifferent-as-not-to-have-an-opinion-about-it" is the word you're looking for not "loathe", silly

thanks Kew. Schoolgirl error really . they are so totally different.

Kewcumber .. yes well, like I said, something like that ...

So what is your definition of Diabetes then ? My Type1 dd has periods when she gets resistant to insulin ..but clearly that makes her Type 1 with occasions of extreme insulin resistance- it wouldnt mean that she swung between type 1 and type 2 !!!

And that exact genetic component is what makes a person insulin resistant which is what type2 is ...

YABU and an idiot.

Sugarray, they are not double standards, because the people critisising you (including me) did not start threads that were nasty and innappropriate and wrong. They just responded to yours. Two different things. I am sorry you are having to cope with this for your son, but I really think next time you should ask for support without making misinformed hurtful judgements on others.

Think I should leave this now though as I'm finding it quite upsetting.

Good Luck to all of you that have to cope with lives affected by diabetes.

Duritzfan - My friend died from Type 2 diabetes complications..he didn't know he had it. It is rarer than from type 1 but it does happen.

Fanjo .. (sad)

I don't think Im explaining myself very well am I ? I was trying say that the complications are the same .. was responding to the poster who said that Type2 complications were worse - they are not - they are the same ..

I think i am just being crap at explaining myself so think I'd better stop trying !

Basically what it comes down to is that we need a cure - for both types ...

Then I could have both my Dad and my daughter healthy and hopefully living to a ripe old age ...

I really didn't mean to offend anyone if I did...

I have type 2 diabetes which I am convinced was brought on by working night shifts (7 on, 7 off) for years. I was probably predisposed to diabetes, but instead of becoming diabetic at say age 60, I was diagnosed at 41. (Research has suggested that night shift workers are more prone to diabetes).

I am not overweight, eat a healthy diet and am on my feet 12 hours a day, 5 days a week.

I can sympathise with the OP, knowing what diabetes is like/can do I would hate for my dc to be diagnosed.

But please, think before you post next time OP.

Well pagwatch if you're going to use a word that describes my feelings then use the right one, or you could carry on making it up if that's too much of a chore for you.