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Title say's it all.

On occasion I have thought how lovely it would be to be able to 'blacklist' posters that really piss you off, so their posts just don't appear on your own screen at all, but then I figured that curiosity would get the better of me when people replied to them

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 25-Aug-10 13:03:16
"why did you mention his ADHD then..maybe he was just vile"

I mentioned it because it was his diagnosis that influenced the school's decision to penalise his victim and not him. The school felt that he could not be "blamed" for his behaviour which was, apparently, outside and beyond his control! .

Claw3 Wed 25-Aug-10 13:30:33
"Bretton, children who are truly rile, dont tend to have "high approval ratings from his mates". In fact children with ADHD tend not to have many mates at all, let alone high approval from them.
You might even find that he was just copying what his "high approval" mates were doing or even being goaded to do it by his "high approval mates".
Some children with disabilities are often trying their best to fit in and are not sure how to do this."

Claw3: How much experience do you possess with regard to teaching teenagers?

The child was a vile little shit. Fact.

It could be quite funny though.

Oops - that was to pagwatch/chippingin up there ^

Breton, quite a bit.

so are you a teacher then breton?

the mind boggles

Glitterknickaz Wed 25-Aug-10 11:01:16
Actually... that's a point.
Since when was having impulses to do things that may harm or kill you (ie throwing self down stairs) naughty or bad parenting?
Surely self preservation would mean that even the naughtiest, most over e numbered child wouldn't do that?
My son tries to though. If his ADHD doesn't exist why does he do that then?"

Because children generally have no awareness of danger or fear of heights. If they did we wouldn't need all the safety precautions in the home e.g. stair-guards, electric socket guards, guard-rails round hobs, etc. We wouldn't need to worry about leaving hot pans or trailing leads where little hands could reach them and pull them down. Come bath time we could just leave them alone, safe in the knowledge that their self preservation would stop them drowning.

When we took our toddlers out we wouldn't need to use use reins or hold their hands because that good old "self preservation" would prevent any toddler from dashing out into the road because they'd seen something of interest on the other side!

When they got older we wouldn't have to tell them to be careful when crossing roads or riding their bikes. We wouldn't have to warn them not to assume everything in the hedgerow was good to eat. We wouldn't have to caution them about the risks that go with climbing trees or falling off climbing frames.

In fact we could just leave them to get on with it!

quite interesting that`Bretton is a teacher and part of the diagnostic process relies on teacher report (if a child is at school)

With an attitude like that, i should imagine that Bretton is doing his best to make sure children dont receive a diagnosis of ADHD.

I wouldnt about ADHD being over-diagnosis with teachers like this.

worry

oh, Breton

,tuts, and shakes head disparagingly>

and you a teacher?

fancy getting not knowing about danger, and not being aware that danger exists muddled up.

a toddler does not know that the hot pan will burn/the car will not stop in time/falling down the stairs is a bad idea.

my dd knows, by experience, sadly, that falling down the stairs hurts. that hot things burn. thankfully, she does not not that cars do not always stop in time.

she has little concept of danger, and will still touch hot things.

she is unable to learn from experience a lot of the time.

forgetting that danger exists, becasue of seeing something interesting on teh other side of the road, or because of ecitement at riding a shiney new bike, is not at all the same as not being able to imagine the danger exists in the first place.

dd2 is likely to dash out into the road if she wants to get to something on the other side. I can remind her she should not do this.

dd1 will run out despite all reminders. it does not compute for her.

is it me or is the troll really boring now,
talk about attention seeking

Bretton, why did you assume that Glitterknickaz was talking about a toddler? (she may well be, i have no idea)

The sad fact is that many children with the conditions you describe act this way still act this way when beyond being a toddler.

There are also physical symptoms which you can see and test which many of the children share. Auditory and visual processing, motor skills for example.

Yes 2shoes, he/she is. I give up.

Claw3 I didn't. That's why I gave further examples about warning older children as well!

In fact you know what 2shoes, i will never venture outside of the sn boards again.

You try to raise awareness by contributing to these threads and its totally pointless, a waste of time.

actually claw , other than breton who is a shit stirring wanker, I think the thread has been pretty sensible.

But perhaps I have my own personal twat filter ?

I want to know what the hell bret feels he/she is going to achieve.

you are not changing our minds.

again how many actually agreed with you.

so why carry it on.

this is not the bret show.

and i am sure this thread was not started for you to carry on your waffle.

and if you are a teacher, then you are a disgusting one at that. imo you should be handing your notice in, you do not deserve to be anywhere near children.

Pagwatch, not so much this thread, apart from Bretton of course.

My own personal twat filter will be to stay on the sn boards and if anyone has a sensible question they want opinions on regarding SN's they can ask there.

see you there claw

Pagwatch, obviously i cant speak for everyone on the sn board, but sensible questions are generally welcome

silverfrog Wed 25-Aug-10 15:12:36

"fancy getting not knowing about danger, and not being aware that danger exists muddled up."

Plenty of children don't always seem to be aware about danger - that's why, tragically, so many get killed or badly injured. Ever seen the way some kids ride their bikes? I'm quite sure they don't all hail from indifferent parents who haven't warned them about the risks of road accidents.

Likewise there are plenty of supposed adults who seem to fail to understand that dangers exist when certain activities are attempted e.g. those who go "Tombstoning" or who try and copy tricks they've seen on television and end up hanging themselves!

Then there are the teens who log on to suicide forums and form "suicide pacts" simply because all all their friends were doing it; or go off in high dudgeon and hang themselves because they've been thwarted over some trivial issue.

I can't believe that all such individuals are not fully aware of the risks attached to what they are attempting? But they do it anyway!

you are just proving silverfrog's point, she is talking about not being aware that danger even EXISTS, you are talking about ignoring dangers.

I was talking about a nearly six year old.
He's never going to improve.
He'll still get these impulses as an adult.