MN is quite happy to let innacurate thread titles be posted that could promote discrimination against disabled children and their famillies

[wasuup3000]

Title say's it all.

I didn't think google was very good for medical questions - but if there's a website you can recommend then please do.

Ah , OK , thanks

^^

agree with pagwatch.

that is what my other thread was about.

the number of times people say "oh yes, I saw that ADHD/SN/ADHD/whatever thread, but it was all abit heated for me. and I never know what to say about SN anyway so I kept out of it" is very sad.

and it makes me fearful for my dd's future.

because it isn't just the bullying/goading that can go on that is the problem. it is the rest of the world that stands by and lets it happen that are the real problem

You see, the thing is, that unfortunately, I didn't say that.

I said that "Many children just have shit parents who can't be bothered to spend time/say no and then wonder why their children are little fuckers and go running to their Dr's to get a statement." is a true statement.

I then broke it down into less inflamatory language.

You then asked me if it was ok to ask me if my children were little fuckers - presumably referencing the rhetorical part of the original post that I quoted - (so not part of the content that I added).

The original post also was denying that the children referenced had ADHD.

So, somehow, my quoting a post that you were also quoting, that was saying that some 'little fuckers' don't have ADHD, is the same as me saying that children with ADHD are little fuckers.

I'm afraid I don't believe that is a logically consistent position to take.

And Chipping in
( not picking on you btw - you just raised an issue close to my heart 0

I think the orange car analogy is the other way around.
I think people wander around barely noticing that orange cars exist - having little time for them and not caring if other people mock them for their strange orangeness.
And then you get an orange car of your own and you see how many there are and how it isn't that funny that they get called juice buckets and are not allowed in certain car parks....

and at the same time if that is possible

TCNY - The point im trying to make is, no doubt there are parents out there who are the cause of their childs difficulties.

But these are not the kind of parents who worry about their child's education or in fact involving experts and fighting for statements.

So the statement "Many children just have shit parents who can't be bothered to spend time/say no and then wonder why their children are little fuckers and go running to their Dr's to get a statement." doesnt make much sense.

Getting a diagnosis and/or a statement requires a lot of effort and 'bothering' on the parents part.

Coaly babe this is quoted from your post I think on page 13 hth

TheCoalitionNeedsYou Wed 25-Aug-10 09:52:22

Wassup3000 - but the thing is that

"Many children just have shit parents who can't be bothered to spend time/say no and then wonder why their children are little fuckers and go running to their Dr's to get a statement."

is a true statement.

Many children DO have bad parents. Many of then ARE unable to see the link between this and their children's behavior. Some of them DO then try and blame this on recognized disorders.

I sometimes wish we just had a facility where we could report one poster on a thread for being a cock.

How often one wanky little poster gets away with trying to sabotage any sensible discussion is quite shocking.

we could get Justine a message saying

'all messages deleted by mumsnet as poster is a total cock monkey'

C'mon Justine.. you know you want to. It is what Miss Grayling would do. I am pretty sure

Claw3 - I don't disagree, but a lot of this is about people's perception. If people believe that bad parents just go and get statements to compensate for their bad parenting (and they do) than telling them that this never happens isn't very productive. Because a) They will always know someone who this happened to and b) it probably HAS actually happened, just not very often.

I think that in cases like this, "Yes, but.." is better than "You are wrong."

Because, thought the statement doesn't make sense (as it is making a whole lot of assumptions, rhetorically implying that this is common etc), it is, strictly, true.

I think someone ought to start a thread saying

aibu to think ignorant tossers don't exist

and then all the cocks can come out and deny they are cocks

it would work well, no?

they are not really ignorant cocks, their mother just didn;t love em enough

pagwatch - Maybe like on facebook where you can block a poster. Or on very early popbitch where you could "ignore".

It can make threads entertainingly surreal if everyone is talking about soemone you've blocked though :)

Pag & Silver

(Pag - thanks for your support on the 'Fatties' thread, maybe Silver's other thread has stirred up a general awareness re supporting others even when it's not your fight, because there were quite a few non-fatties supporting us fatties on that thread, but that rarely happens. I've not posted on it yet - I was unable to be restrained re Kitty.)

As I said, I haven't posted on the recent 'ADHD doesn't exist' (or whatever it is), because it when it came up I just didn't have the energy for it - not because it was SN though, at that time if it had been someone posting 'Breastfeeding is BAD for your child' I would have done the same thing. It's clearly shit, clearly an OP goading for a fight and sometimes I think it's just better to let it die out rather than feed the troll/idiot.

I doubt you would find many threads on the main boards where SN is clear in the title that I haven't been on and supported the SN parents though.

but they will jsut say it is because we is all bitter and twisted and didn't love our kiddies enough

fair enough Chipping

I really wasn't having a go at you.. I have seen you around

Justine i love pags idea, it made me laugh.

maybe you should consider it

Chippingin, I too have noticed oyu around a lot

you seem to have been giving me a lot of advice recently, all much appreciated.

TCNY - The process of a parent getting the LA to agree to a statement for a child is a long drawn out process, which requires an awful lot of time, effort and often money on the parents part and parents often end up having to lodge appeals and tribunals etc.

Although, i agree some parents might try to pass behaviour off as a disorder. If they have got a diagnosis, various experts would have had to agree that it was a disorder and very few 'fakers' get through.

A statement and a diagnosis are two totally different things.

ooh - blocking a poster.. that would feel so nice this week TCNY

if we could do it we could just get a message on our screen saying
' and still not listening to that twat'
when they post

Pag, Silver - Thanks :) I really wasn't looking for a pat on the head, I just wanted to explain why I didn't wade into 'that' thread!...

Pag - I missed your post earlier...

^I sometimes wish we just had a facility where we could report one poster on a thread for being a cock.

How often one wanky little poster gets away with trying to sabotage any sensible discussion is quite shocking.

we could get Justine a message saying

'all messages deleted by mumsnet as poster is a total cock monkey'

C'mon Justine.. you know you want to. It is what Miss Grayling would do. I am pretty sure

it would be brilliant - but you do know what would happen don't you... everyone would then be asking what had been said and it would be repeated 20 times!!

When I was copying your post I clicked on your name & got your profile up again, everytime I see it I fall in love with your house, kids & dog again!! They're all too lovely for words! At least you have a good size garden to put the swing in :)

it would be an endles thread of
'eh - what did binkybonk say' followed by ten un blocked posters repeatingit.

It would be like having tea at your grans