MN is quite happy to let innacurate thread titles be posted that could promote discrimination against disabled children and their famillies

[wasuup3000]

Title say's it all.

STFU wassup. You're doing everyones head in.

Oh my the truth is hurting ccpccp so good you had to name it twice...

ccpccp - No I want to get to the bottom of this.

wassup3000 -
What did I say that was disabilist?
Where did I attack children?
What children are exposed to the views on this forum?

Academically challenged? No you didn't say that. Do you want to?

groan - think about it, read the thread again and I will get back to your a bit later on to explain it to you but you may have figured it out by then.

Sorry Theshrieking, i missed your reply to me.

"I'm inclined to share ScottishMummy's "its only words on a screen" mentality. But similarly, I understand and appreciate that not everyone responds the same way"

You are quite right it is only words on a screen. Words are quite powerful though.

As you say, your view might change depending on your DD. I know mine did, well not so much change, just after years of being on the receiving end of ignorant views became more important to me i suppose as it did affect my ds.

wassuup3000 - Ok - I'll go for a run, and when I come back you can point out where I was disablist, where I attacked children, what children are exposed to views on this forum and can decide if you want to call me academically challenged or not.

I am a teacher in a secondary school, and as I prefer to, I usually work with the SEN children and bottom sets. I have to say that there are many, many children who clearly suffer from ADHD/AS type issues who haven't been statemented, either because a statement is hard to come by or because of the stigma attached.
Those children with statements (few and far between) definitely do require extra support, as do many without.

My question is this: Even if you don't believe in ADHD and AS, do you agree that the children who fall into this category need and deserve extra support at school? If so, is it not useful to have a system whereby the issues are recognisable and can be dealt with?

I totally disagree with you that they don't exist, but I really don't understand why you are bothering with your argument. Surely it is patent that whatever title is given, support is still required.

Remind me of your point...

Loopyloops - before I go - who is this addressed at? If it's me then I do believe in ADHD/AS. You need to address you question to Breton over on the other thread.

Actually... that's a point.
Since when was having impulses to do things that may harm or kill you (ie throwing self down stairs) naughty or bad parenting?

Surely self preservation would mean that even the naughtiest, most over e numbered child wouldn't do that?

My son tries to though. If his ADHD doesn't exist why does he do that then?

actually
I am a bit at the stuff being said to TCNY.
I have read her posts as being questioning and interested ( even if not in agreement with me ) rather than hostile and shouty.

I don't think that this is a subject that cannot be talked about.

( OTOH ccpccp is clearly just trying, in rather limp manner, for a fight)

CPP - "STFU wassup. You're doing everyones head in"

Thought you were all for people being able to express their views in AIBU!

You wouldnt be "whining" would you.

TCNY it was addressed to Breton and any other "non-believers". Breton is involved in this thread (maybe not around this morning) and the other is full.

smallwhitecat well said

odd that no one from mn hq has posted to explain

Anyhow Wassup, i conclude YANBU. MN has double standards.

If ADHD does not exist and parents cause their child's difficulties, is not a personal attack, albeit an indirect one, i dont know what is.

MN deleted the same comment on this thread Bretton made about 'mummy being responsible for child's difficulties', but other thread is still there.

Just responding to Coalition's point above - many children DO get statements issued on the basis of emotional and/or behavioural difficulties.
Many of these children also have diagnoses of ADD/ADHD or ODD.

Many of these children, but not all, come from homes where the family structure and parenting has been lacking, from a very early age.

There are other children for whom this is not the case.

I've issued hundreds of statements (and that number is not an exaggeration) so I do know about this.

STFU though didnt she.

Not spoiling for a flight. There is nothing to be gained since the argument is done and the ADHD thread stands.

I agree SWC

I worked in the city in the very early 80s and casual sexism was rife. I am pretty robust but it was very wearing and was incredibly difficult for many ofthe young women starting there.

The kind of ripostes I heard were 'you need to toughen up' ' it is only banter' 'we can't even relax now without worrying about you throwing sexism at us' 'if you don't like it don't work here' and ' 'why do you choose to work here if it is clearly upsetting you'

I think many posters on this thread get to work in much nicer, more equilatble enviroments because disinterested men and women said 'hang on, thats not fair or reasonable'
This discussion always reminds me of that time.

ccpccp.

And yet you are still here?

Other people are engaging and therefore the conversation is clearly not done.

Of course you should stay and join in but I wonder why you do so if you think the conversation has finished and have little to contribute other than your thought provoking STFU

Casserole, perhaps you work for a particularly enlightened or wealthy LEA.

There are too many of us who just cannot get statements for our children.

Casserole, do you work for the LEA?

These are TCNY views go a couple of pages back to find them:

*Wassup3000 - but the thing is that

"Many children just have shit parents who can't be bothered to spend time/say no and then wonder why their children are little fuckers and go running to their Dr's to get a statement."

is a true statement.

Many children DO have bad parents. Many of then ARE unable to see the link between this and their children's behavior. Some of them DO then try and blame this on recognized disorders.*

Then she said that although her daughter can be a little fucker she would not call her one in real life.

So why is it ok to agree with a statement that calls other peoples children who happen to have ADHD or ADD little fuckers?

It is an unequal and irrational viewpoint to have.