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Children getting changed in front of the opposite sex for PE-age 8 and 9

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Ayerightyouare · 03/08/2010 22:25

I am new to posting,not lurking,and after a fab glass or two of Spar 2 bottles for £7.50 am off and running dear children at their grans for a sleepover,ahem
My children,boy age 8,and girl age 9,expressed extreme anxiety over the "changing for PE arrangements"...ie the girls had to get changed in front of the boys and vice versa,in the same classroom.
I saw the headteacher about this before the end of last term,and, to the point, was told that "Well,Mrs insert name,you are the only parent who has brought this up,I like children to be children,innocent,there is no problem,we don't have the staff to supervise 2 different sex groups,there is no problem,the children are okay with it,and you are welcome in to come and see them change in front of each other"
I told her about some of the,for want of a better word,pornographic things that I had heard children of this age speak about.
I do not agree with her,for the sole reason that my children have told me that they do not like this.And,I will not come in as a stranger and watch children changing when I know my own children's feelings on the matter.I explained that children in the school system are not going to go against their teacher when they know that they have no choice in the matter.
I really felt patronised TBH.
Now,in the last week,I have had an example of "creative writing" left on my kitchen table by a 10 yr old girl.I have lots of my children's friends around,and they often do "arts and crafts" at the kitchen table.
Here is what she wrote:

"My Daughter's name, you are a dick head, you suck dick, eat shit, you fancy name of boy,and have sex withname of other boy every night.
name of other boy has cheesy nipples and you suck them every night.Just to tell you how do you know boys name has cheesy nipples do you suck them, got it, you suck other boys name dick don't you? "
I mean,come on,this is a 10 year old girl.It is not her fault,she is just showing what that age group has been exposed to via the media.Her Mum is very very strict.
When the school term commences,I am making an appt with the headmistress and basically demanding that she allows children to retain their dignity when getting changed.I have spoken to my daughter regarding this piece of creative writing,she has just turned 9,and she is very uncomfortable about getting changed in front of boys considering what she has now been exposed to."Sucking Dicks" indeed. Am I being Unreasonable ?

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TheLadyEvenstar · 04/08/2010 00:39

I have a 12yr old DS and I was shocked when I read a txt he received from a girl!!

she wants to
"Run my hands all over you as we kiss"

now that is pornographic as he is my baby and it is not right!!!

AnyFucker · 04/08/2010 00:39

nearly missed your question, there, aye

yes, when I was 9 I would get changed in the same room (not in front of, because that infers sexual display) as "males" ie. other 9yo children

but your whole thread has been about sexual display between pre-pubescent children hasn't it ??

and that is why it is weird

ParanoidTwit · 04/08/2010 00:40

Isn't it interesting how we perceive things. I am merrily watching a domestic violence film whilst on my second glass of posh cava (not bad too). Desperate? For the loo, yes!

TheLadyEvenstar · 04/08/2010 00:40

ohhh AF has turned seriarse on us now

SomeGuy · 04/08/2010 00:41

you could be arrested and imprisoned for that TLES

Ayerightyouare · 04/08/2010 00:41

Lady Evenstar,

You don't have a clue.

My niece,then age 10,and this is a few years ago,had a boy,now in P7 at the village primary school jumping on her back yelling that he was going to "sex" her...seemingly that is the language...and in class was stimulating masturbation....he was brought up with adult videos and "grand theft auto" pc games. Children are NOT allowed to be innocent anymore.My neice was subjected to this despite her parent's wishes and beliefs.

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PixieOnaLeaf · 04/08/2010 00:41

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TheLadyEvenstar · 04/08/2010 00:41

Someguy? what putting my sensible head on? or reading DS1's texts?

SomeGuy · 04/08/2010 00:42

evidently he didn't learn very much from the adult videos....

PixieOnaLeaf · 04/08/2010 00:42

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TheLadyEvenstar · 04/08/2010 00:43

nobut Zebra print does!!

PixieOnaLeaf · 04/08/2010 00:43

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ParanoidTwit · 04/08/2010 00:44

That came out wrong:

I am merry from the cava
I am watching film where grandad beats up wife beater

BaronessBomburst · 04/08/2010 00:44

I'm going to bed. It's twenty to two here and DS will wake up in the morning and I will have to get up.

Look forward to a denuement later.
Or a bun fight.

SomeGuy · 04/08/2010 00:44

I mean inciting sexual activity (sending sexual texts) in a child age under 13 is a serious crime in law.

PixieOnaLeaf · 04/08/2010 00:44

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serotoninbutterfly · 04/08/2010 00:44

Pixie - perhaps by a warm bath? Or rubbing...

TheLadyEvenstar · 04/08/2010 00:45

I didn't send them!!!!

I read the text when he got it and deleted it!
told him "your education is more important than girls"

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BitOfFun · 04/08/2010 00:46

Oh I can't tell you that, Pixie. Suffice to say that it seemed hilarious to me while drunk. Unlike this one.

Ayerightyouare · 04/08/2010 00:46

Any Fucker,

It is not about "sexual display"

It is about respecting an 8 and a 9 year olds self proffessed wish for the preservation of privacy.

They told me they didn't want to get changed in front of the opposite sex.I didn't ask them.

Thet approached me.

Headmistress dismissed and patronised.

A lot of my daughter's concern was to do with the"sex education" she has unwillingly been subjected to by older peers.

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TheLadyEvenstar · 04/08/2010 00:48

I have previously got changed in the same room as male friends....not in front of them though.

SomeGuy · 04/08/2010 00:49

I know you didn't send them TLES, I meant that the girl may be committing a crime....

BitOfFun · 04/08/2010 00:50

OP, if you feel your dd is being subjected to inappropriate topics, then I would suggest you stop inviting older children round, or closely supervise. You are making a massive issue out of this.