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Bloody, twatting, (D)F

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Bunnysoprano · 12/07/2010 23:07

I am absolutely sick to death and need some perspective. However, I should warn you, this is long.....

This weekend, I parked my car in the drive in front of DF's car. We had two sets of keys - DF lost one set but denies it. Usually, I leave my keys in a glass bowl in the hall but, for some reason this weekend, I stuck them in my bag.

Today, I had to leave the house about 5:30am as was travelling for work. Whilst on the train to Glasgow, I got a text from DF saying he couldn't get his car out as I had blocked it in and taken my keys. Naturally (and I do understand this), he was annoyed.

He then got a taxi to and from work today which cost £50. However, he has used the money that I take out each month from our joint account to pay for the cleaner. I am apparently to pay this back as I need to be "punished" (I kid you not!) for what I did today re the car.

I have arrived home this evening at 10:00pm after travelling to and from Glasgow today an d am rather tired. Therefore, I have not taken very kindly to this and am absolutely fuming. Part of the reason is because F is saying that he can't afford to take a taxi to work and back (notwithstanding the fact that he is pretty much a three figure earner). Now, I do accept that it was wasted money due to my mistake but I earn nearly half of what he does. I have just paid nearly £400 for flights this month for us to go to a wedding which has left me very short on the basis that DF would sub me if I needed any money. I trusted him to do this but obviously this isn't happening.

We both put equal amounts in the joint account but just enough to cover the bills so there is no flex. F is making dire threats about not putting money in this month etc if I don't pay for the taxi etc.

I know this all sounds RIDICULOUSLY childish but I have actually had a moment of utter panic and thought that I can't actually marry someone who is going to treat me like this. What if I am off on maternity leave and need "punished"?!?!? Will I get no money.

I am fuming and have actually taken myself off in the spare bedroom to sleep tonight and think about things.

I am quite prepared for a total flaming as I am SO angry I can't think straight but AIBU about this?!?

OP posts:
stainesmassif · 16/07/2010 12:22

He's an oxygen thief and a mind fucker. don't worry about how it appears to anyone else - you can see from the moral majority of mumsnet that we have your back. It will take time to get over, and you will find yourself again, and if you want to or not, you'll meet someone nice! it's inescapable. 32 is young. BIG LOVE to you.

FioFio · 16/07/2010 12:25

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catsmother · 16/07/2010 12:26

Bunny my dear you have NOTHING to feel embarrassed about. You know you're not stupid, but just like many of us you have been reeled in by a manipulative and plausible man aresewipe who can probably be extremely charming when he's trying to get his own way.

I mentioned before that I was done over financially (albeit in different circumstances, and emotionally too) by an utter cunt (I don't usually use that word but there's no other way to express the disgust I have for him) and I too was embarrassed and mortified that I could have been so "stupid" and gullible. I initially questionned if I had somehow bought this upon myself, or whether my misgivings were actually unreasonable ! I think it's natural to do that - even in the face of quite appalling behaviour from someone else - if you're a nice decent person who's been brought up to consider other people - and not just yourself as twatface has done. However, I eventually realised that I'd done nothing wrong and that my only faults in the matter - such as being too trusting - were born out of the desire to do the right thing, and NOT out of any malicious intent. The same could not be said of my exH who had deliberately plotted, nor can the same be said of twatface who has proven what an utterly mean and selfish "man" he is over and over again.

It does NOT matter what he tells others about you. If they are immature enough to believe him then they aren't worth having as friends. Indeed, if he is immature enough to go round washing his dirty laundry in publuc in an attempt to discredit you, that says an awful lot more about his true character than it does yours. Most people deal with relationship breakups with dignity, no matter what the background, confiding only in close friends and family who can be relied upon to be discreet, not who'd lap up the salacious gossip.

You KNOW you are NOT selfish and greedy. Where's the evidence of that ? Your friends and family also know this and they are the only ones whose opinions matter. Tell them everything, and I am 100% convinced you will be enveloped in a heap of love and support to help you through this. Don't give a stuff what his revolting mother thinks .... so what she might think you're a "golddigger" (ha ha ha bloody ha) .... fact is, you're the winner in this because you don't have to put up with her foul excuse-for-a-man son any more.

When I broke up from the cunt, I too thought I'd never want anyone else again. I was so appalled at my apparent lack of good judgement that I more or less hid away from the world - bar going to work - for over a year. I didn't want to go out with anyone, let alone have a relationship. But that time for me was invaluable because it was my own time, with no calls upon it from anyone else apart from my son, and I thought long and hard in that period about what I wanted from life, how I deserved to be treated, and what I would and wouldn't put up with. It made me stronger so that when I did start to date again, it was in a "I'm not going to take any shit from anyone" mood .... and in quick succession, I dated - and then ditched - 2 men for about a month each whose behaviour/lack of consideration rang alarm bells. Previously, I'd have probably been looking for ways to excuse them and wouldn have hung on in there while they took advantage but this time I just thought "sod it, I'm not putting up with this, why should I when there are 1000s of other men out there who could be better" .... and I can tell you, far from making me sad or unhappy, it felt bloody liberating to have reached that point in my head. I then met my current DP when I was nearly 37 and we now have a 6 year old DP .....

..... so anyway, the point of all that was that there are many of us who do understand how you feel but believe me, don't write off your future, or let the fear of that stop you from walking away from the twat. Just think of other people you know who've been through nasty splits - how many of them are still in mourning about it years on like Miss Haversham ? None, I bet, and nor will you be, I can guarantee it.

As to worrying (understandably) about the mortgage should he leave, please try to remember that any mortgage worries though unpleasant, are far preferable to remaining in the current status quo. What's the worst that could happen ? ...... notwithstanding switching, say, to interest only until the house is sold, and/or getting a lodger(s) to help with the repayments & bills, the very worst that could happen is that the house is repossessed .... and that's not a definite, by a long chalk, and frankly, I'd still say that's preferable to staying. One thing that occurred to me ..... if your parents were going to pay for your wedding, perhaps they'd help with the mortgage payments instead until the house was sold ? Just a thought .... I suspect they'd think this was a better use of their money actually.

Too damn right he doesn't want you to talk to them - or anyone else ..... 'cos there goes his "reputation" for one thing, and there goes your compliance for another when everyone and anyone you shared this with would point out how appallingly you're being treated. Another great big alarm bell ! If he had the courage of his convictions and genuinely believed that his behaviour was acceptable he wouldn't care who you spoke to about it would he ? ..... the fact he does care tells me that he knows (but obviously won't admit it to you) that what he's doing is very fundamentally wrong yet he still does it .... which is all the more chilling.

Come on Bunny - you can do this, and it will feel like a weight has been lifted from you I guarantee it.

KnottyLocks · 16/07/2010 12:28

I think in order for this to work, the following needs to be considered:

*A set percentage of both incomes into the joint account
*Food shopping to be taken out of this account too

  • And maybe the loan payments for Stamp duty
  • Separate personal accounts for personal spending
  • He drives his car, you drive yours. You are responsible for your own cars, their maintenance, petrol etc
  • He has an account for his tax and that is not touched until the bill is due
  • You have a joint savings account for shared holidays/luxuries with equal amount going in each month
  • He is transparent about his earnings

Now, what are the chances?

You need to explain everything to your parents, Bunny. It is not an argument about £40 or £50 - put them clear on that. Tell them everything you have told us. I think that they haven't been critical of F because at the moment they probably believe that it can be solved, but obviously they don't know the whole story.

Katisha · 16/07/2010 12:38

To Knotty's excellent list I would add :

  1. He develops some respect for you
  2. Does not use you are free legal service
  3. Does not blame you for everything (eg losing keys, buying pointless food etc) but rather treats you as an equal.
  4. Promises to provide properly and freely for you if and when you have children.

and so on.
I think the respect thing sounds like its fundamentally missing, so even if you could hold him to financial promises, he'd still be lording it.

Easywriter · 16/07/2010 12:40

Bunny - I hate that you're going through this you sound like such a lovley person from a lovely family.
I can totally see why you F is drawn to you because he is a parasite and know that someone who is well brought up will rationalise his behaviour instead of putting him in his place.

No more Bunny! Stand up for yourself! You are right, you know you are, don't be so kind that you become a door mat!

The best bit is, you're alradey on the journey back to the real you and a whole new life.

I know you said you feel embarrased and ashamed so may I offer you some advice that I know to be true.

It's only embarrasing and something to be ashamed of the first time you have to tell someone!
So my advice is to tell your parents EVERYTHING tonight. Warts and all! If you have to recount the whole thing again it won't be so embarrassing, I promise.

Your Mum was probably reeling from what she had just heard and trying to overcome the urge to knock some sense into the idiot that's been ill treating her daughter!

Tonight your Dad may go through the same but do you know what. They'll be there for you. How do I know? I know because of every single thing that you've posted about them so far in this thread!

They love you and want the best for you.

As for F, I think everyone else has covered what a cowardly and controlling piece of work he is.

Bunny, I think there is value in talking to your parents face to face rather than on the phone. Are you sure you can't be sick this afternoon and get on a train to them? That way you could talk it out with them this weekend and return on Monday to work and F with a plan of action, your head a little more together, and a wekkend of being with people who REALLY love you. (Don't under estimate the power of this!)

You surely must see that it is pointless talking to F at this stage? You can't make plans with him, he contradicts himself from one sentence to the next and clearly has no interest in you (as a couple)or you (Bunny). His only interest is himself.

Stop being his golden ticket, buy a ticket and go and talk to you folks.

(If you can't afford it, ring your folks and ask if they'll lend you the ticket price).

Bunny one last thing. Love, hugs and power to you. You deserve to be happy and with someone who makes it their business to make you happy.

catsmother · 16/07/2010 12:41

Sadly, I don't think a letter, however well written, factual and tactful, is going to solve this. It isn't one or two incidents of thoughtlessness but a longstanding pattern and he comes across to me as someone with an almighty sense of entitlement that cancels out everything else - consideration and true commitment towards you, responsibility to pay taxes and so on. A letter won't change that and if he did "promise" to do what you wanted I think it would be to stop you going (and not because he loves you, but because he didn't want to lose face, nor have his "authority" flouted), not because he'd seen the light. You'd soon find that he slipped back into old ways, there'd always be an excuse, you'd always be in the wrong, you'd have been wasting money etc etc.

There is nothing you've written that indicates he actually loves you at all which would obviously be a good starting point apart from anything else. He loves himself, end of.

Please show this thread to your mum - and your previous "bastard" one ..... they can't help and support you properly if they're only getting bits and bobs. This is so not about £40.

( .... and even more that in addition to your parents providing a deposit, you had to take out a loan for the stamp duty of the house HE also lives in whilst he spends £35k on a boy toy - and then the fucker asks how you'll pay that on maternity leave ! The answer is you won't be paying it on maternity leave because there'll be no maternity leave with HIM. Think about this - not only is there a very good chance he'd financially neglect your kids whilst indulging himself, there's also a strong chance those kids could grow up with a skewed personality if they absorb their father's attitudes. You can't do that)

KnottyLocks · 16/07/2010 12:43

God, I've been trying so hard not to say it but

GET OUT BUNNY!

Be free to live the life you deserve:

one filled with genuine love, laughter and happiness.

One where you are treated with respect and are cherished.

One where there is no doubting, no threats, no intimidation.

One where you are free to be yourself.

One where there is comfort and hugs are given and received without motive.

One where troubles are faced together, and important and trivial things are shared and discussed.

And where when you talk about your partner and even when you think of them, you smile.

Easywriter · 16/07/2010 12:45

Great post Catsmother.

Kind of what I was trying to say but put much more eloquently.

I forgot to post re your mortgage but Catsmother has it covered! Sage advice!

MorganMindy · 16/07/2010 12:46

I would second (or third is it?) the advice to go and spend some time with your parents. They'll probably already be aware of far more than you think, parents have a way of knowing when things aren't right.

I know it's very hard to admit to anyone else what's happened in this 'relationship'. But once you start breaking out of that shell of embarrassment it gets easier and easier to do.

BitOfFun · 16/07/2010 12:50

Bunny (this is Portia btw)- I am staggered at his arrogance, reading your update. I can't offer any more advice beyond the excellent words of the other posters, but I am so rooting for you here. Your parents sound like a real rock- tell them everything and let them help you get away from this pig of a man so you can find some happiness for yourself. Much much love to you.

MorganMindy · 16/07/2010 12:50

There are some great posts on here.

Wish I'd known about MN five years ago, would have made me realise a lot of things a lot earlier and also helped with the guilt of leaving. Took me several years to realise it was him not me and I'm learning more from MN about these controlling men all the time.

MaryMungo · 16/07/2010 12:51

Is his name on the house? If not, I'd advertise for a housemate to share costs (mortgage/housecleaner) and kick him out soonest you find one. Stop wanting him to perceive you as reasonable- his perceptions are warped!

Bunnysoprano · 16/07/2010 12:58

The loan for the stamp duty was for my half. He paid the other half.

Just realised I can't go home at the weekend as people coming for lunch on the Saturday.

I can't start explaining things to people now. I'm just not ready.
I'm definitely going to speak to mum and dad tonight though.

You are all right though - he wont change. I have to realise that. Also, I have allowed this to happen and allowed myself to be treated like this.

When am I going to speak to him? His sister is coming on Saturday?

I am actually happy he is going out tonight as I can speak to mum and dad uniterrupted.

I feel like I could sleep for a week. When I do go to sleep, I am having horrible, vivid dreams. Keep dreaming about ex-boyfriend who I lived in Australia with - weird.

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Katisha · 16/07/2010 13:00

Cancel them and go home. You don't have to explain. Or say your Dad is v ill or something if you have to.
This is a bit of a crisis situation Bunny! You don't want to be making small talk all w/e.

Easywriter · 16/07/2010 13:05

2nd the cancel them!

You need to cancel them, you're potentially about to put a full stop on this life with F, so don't feel bad about putting a comma in first.

This weekend will be for YOU!
You say you could sleep for a week.
Go to your parents (Gosh! I'm really quite bossy aren't I [wink}).
You'll talk and talk and talk some more with them.
Then you'll sleep and it'll be the best sleep ever because you'll know you are loved and supported and you may even have a plan as to how you move forward from here.

No one needs dinner more than you need to sort this situation.
Put yourself first just this once.
You don't need to explain, just say you need to go back on business, to support a friend, to see your folks, to see your sister. Whatever you need to say, make your excuses and look after you this weekend.

Welshexpat · 16/07/2010 13:07

By all means kick this bastard out, he won't improve and being married to him with children would be a nightmare.

However, before moving on you need to consider your contribution to this nightmare. Your combined income must be well over 100k pre tax with more on the way. How important was it for you to be in a high income relationship as opposed to one where love was the only consideration. Would you be happy with someone earning only £30k and limited prospects?

Is your reluctance to leave because you know high earning dentists (and other professionals)don't grow on trees?

Clearly you must leave this relationship but you need to think long and hard about your own goals and priorities so that you don't get in this situation again.

Easywriter · 16/07/2010 13:07

Was he called Bruce?

The Aussie ex BF?

mummytime · 16/07/2010 13:08

Go home! Cancel the people if your friends (you don't have to tell the truth, say you don't feel to good, stomach cramps, any other physical symptoms you have). If his, well he can entertain them.

I might be tempted to phone an estate agent and see how quickly and how much they think your house could sell for.

Do not accept at face value anything F says. Get evidence.

Is there anywhere you can live closer to where you work?

Good luck!

Easywriter · 16/07/2010 13:11

Welsh Bunny's a lawyer, at the very least she probably meets other lawyers.

If she's going to consider her goals I'd say prioritising counselling to "ensure as best she can" that she doesn't meet with another one like her F would be above that one.

Also, Bunny doesn't sound like that kind of girl. The big house is down to HER parents supplying a massive deposit and her paying MORE than her fair share of living costs, bills AND having a loan to pay for the stamp duty that is in her name ALONE!

I think you've read her wrong.
Really wrong.

MorganMindy · 16/07/2010 13:23

From what I've read it's more HIM that's into the high status partner. Likes to brag about getting married to a Lawyer, but doesn't actually respect her as a person, she's another bit of bling, like the big house and flash car (sorry Bunny if that's harsh but it's the way I see it).

MrsDickens · 16/07/2010 13:39

Bunny, another lurker coming out of the woodwork here. Like so many others, I've been increasingly horrifed and worried by the unfolding of your story. Your other threads signal to me that you've been aware of problems for a long time - now it's all coming to a head. I'd second the good advice here......this man sounds seriously deluded and devoid of any insight whatsoever into his own behaviour, as well as seriously insensitive towards you.

FWIW, my dh and I split household expenses 50/50, though I earn a lot more than him...however, I've paid some very large bills (redeemed a sizeable chunk of mortgage etc) and regularly buy stuff for the house that doesn't go anywhere near our list - and wouldn't dream of drawing up a balance-sheet and demanding that dh 'settle up' or pay me back. The way your (D)F is behaving sounds more like he's your employer (and a pretty Dickensian one at that) than your future life-partner.

Sorry, don't mean to preach or make you feel any worse than you already do.....obv we've never even met but I'm worried about you!

Loujalou · 16/07/2010 13:41

Bunny please don't beat yourself up about being in the situation you are in. When you are with someone its very hard to see their faults due to hormones and all sort of things.

My ex-BFs a couple of them were horrid but they both ended up dumping me as I was afraid to leave.

My DH wanted to have a joint bank account for everything even though I was not so keen (my mum's ex left her and emptied the account) and that is what we have. I know what he earns and vice versa. He is not perfect but with money it is the only way it works. My friend's who have DHs who earn a lot more money than them split bills as a percentage of income so that the poorer one is not having to foot too much of the bill.

You need this weekend to think and if you are strong enough devise a plan to leave.

Xales · 16/07/2010 14:25

Bunny you are by no way a stupid person or to blame. You simply believed that he was on the same wave length as you and feel a little silly to realise he has a completely different way of life to you. Now you have realised this you can do something about it. Do put something down in black and white. FOR YOURSELF.

If he reduces the amount going into the joint bills by £40 a month then who is he expecting to pay this??? YOU. You are already paying more than him just for the bills let alone specials!

You are also paying for him to have your car all week with your depreciation, wear & tear etc even if it is already an old banger. Plus filling it at weekends so you/he can use it?

Also sorry but £40 a month is not going to make much dent to a massive tax bill. It probably will not even be enough to start offsetting next years. Especially if he is then going to spend it on nice holidays.

Do you pay 50/50 for holidays? If so you are paying your 50 for the holiday then more again when he (and you know he will) again reduces the amount he is putting in the pot to cover the next tax bill he has already spent.

This person doesn't want to share with you at all. He wants to drain every spare penny you have because he thinks he and his way of life are more important that you.

I agree with some of the other posters. Cancel your friends. If they are friends they will understand and they will be there for you over the next few weeks/months and when this is over.

CarGirl · 16/07/2010 14:48

Bunny

I am so sorry to read that he is even more controlling and self entitled than I ever imagined.

I am so proud that you have told your Mum, it's a huge step.

Please get some legal advice on how to force the sale of the house urgently and how to stop him taking out a loan secured against the property (to pay his tax bill perhaps????)

Thank goodness you have recognised despite his constant eroding of your self-esteem that he a sponger and that you can get out of it before marriage and children. If you need to go to court over the property the fact he has bought a £35k car will you against him (certainly would if you were married!)

Cancel the visitors, you can't afford to buy the food anyway!