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The Continuing Support Thread for Anyone Trying to Lead an Alcohol-Free Life Winter 2024

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REP22 · 20/11/2024 13:38

Hello and welcome. I’m glad you’ve found your way here. We are a bunch of people who are trying to give up and keep off alcohol. No judgement, just honest support and kindness.
The original thread was started by @drybird2020 in 2020 and we have plenty of veterans and newer members who can offer advice and signposting. You are welcome here, whether you post several times a day, once or twice and then never again, or if you only just come to read but have no intention of ever posting.
Whatever your stage on the AF journey, and whatever you’re going through, someone here will have gone through it too. Don’t be shy about posting, we love to celebrate your successes of whatever shape and size - and will support you when things get challenging. We get it, we've been there too.
All we ask is that you’re genuinely trying to abstain. We don't encourage moderation-only here, as it can be triggering for some to read. If you’re looking to moderate your drinking rather than quitting it altogether then MN has another long-running and very active moderation/abstaining thread that’s always near the top on the alcohol support board. Lots of fine support there from those worthy people too. Keep trying. Sobriety may not be easy - but I guarantee you that it is worth it.
I started trying to give up drink in 2018, succeeded (mostly) in 2019 but had a few “wobbles”, one of which led me here in April 2023. I still struggle sometimes but the posters on this thread have been an absolute godsend of wisdom, support and encouragement, along with my dog - known here as Sid (not his real name), and they keep me going. I hope you find strength and comfort here too. This thread and its wonderful posters has been a lifesaver to many, and have certainly seen me through many good and not-so-good days.
These books were particularly helpful to me and I still go back to them from time to time: The Sober Diaries by Clare Pooley (Amazon - Sober Diaries) and The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober by Catherine Gray (Amazon - Unexpected Joy). Others have found This Naked Mind by Annie Grace (Amazon - This Naked Mind) helpful. There are Apps that help track your AF journey, including Reframe and the one I use, I Am Sober. Podcasts can also be helpful. I have found One for the Road by Sober Dave to be a good listen. But different things work for different people. Feel free to post and ask. There is solidarity, wisdom and support here. This is a safe space where your voice will be heard, understood and valued.

Fire up the hot chocolate and make yourself at home.

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Onewildandpreciouslife · 20/11/2024 20:43

Sorry to hear you’ve had bad side effects @WendyWagon - no need to feel stupid over something you couldn’t predict or control. Hope you feel better soon.

RunningtheHill · 20/11/2024 20:49

Thanks for the new thread @REP22 , much appreciated.
Sorry to hear this @WendyWagon , I hope you will improve soon, it sounds grim!

The Xmas toast sounds lovely, I would definitely be up for that @ShyMaryEllen .

Glad to hear so many of you still going strong it's an inspiring message and such a good example for us newbies to live up to.
8 weeks in now and feeling very good, to the point when I sometimes forget to think about a drink!

Lots of social occasions coming up and a few firsts, which is still a bit scary but turning that lever in your brain that says I don't drink is massively helpful.
Happy Wednesday everyone & Sid 😊

WendyWagon · 21/11/2024 07:46

Morning all.
I managed to sleep a bit. Anxiety didn't help. I'm waiting for the doctor to open then hopefully they'll arrange a scan. The consensus is gallbladder.
Insanity thy name is vanity!

If I have got to have another op I think I'll be hanging up the brief case. I'm falling apart lads.

ShyMaryEllen · 21/11/2024 08:02

I’m sorry, @WendyWagon. With any luck, if the meds have caused this, stopping them will stop if, too. I hope so.

CarrotSeeds · 21/11/2024 10:24

Good luck today Wendy. It's not insanity or vanity to use these meds to lose weight. They obviously are a bit of a miracle drug for loads of people, just rotten luck that you have had a severe reaction. Don't beat yourself up about it. Hope you feel much better soon and that stopping the drug will stop further problems.

REP22 · 21/11/2024 11:00

Hello everyone. Snowing here down South. Been many a year since we've had snow this early. Sid is baffled. He views with caution, but enjoys the heightened sniff experiences (pheasant-based last evening) that colder weather brings.

Oh, lovely @WendyWagon - I am so sorry that you've been laid low. That's not fair. But it's not your fault. You are neither vain nor insane. It's not your fault that this has happened - no-one could have foreseen this. Don't give up on the briefcase yet. I'm sure it will have many happy years of active service once you are feeling better. Look after yourself and mend well soon. ❤️💐

Stay safe in the cold weather, shipmates. We may have to plot a course for sunnier waters, lest we suffer the fate of the Endurance. But that would probably necessitate the application of sun-cream factor 50 to Sid's ears and little "Pirate of Menzpance" - and nobody deserves to have to do that of a Thursday.

Strength and love. Keep going. It will be alright soon. xx

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CarrotSeeds · 21/11/2024 19:19

@WendyWagon Did you see your doctor today? How are you feeling? 🌷

WendyWagon · 21/11/2024 19:26

@CarrotSeeds I got fobbed off and was too ill to fight. Doctor not available until next week.
I'm feeling slightly better and I did get a call from the pharmacy supply. They did allocate a doctor. Advice to stop and go to A and E if I get a temperature. I now have football belly.

CarrotSeeds · 21/11/2024 19:28

😢.

Anna73moose · 21/11/2024 19:58

@WendyWagon sorry to read you’re poorly, hope you manage to get a sleep tonight 🤞
@REP22 thanks for adding me to the new thread x
@ShyMaryEllen the Xmas toast is a great idea 👌

I’m on day 18. Still feeling good but walked through the wine aisle in Tesco yesterday and the reality of never drinking wine again made me really sad…. However I made my way to the AF options and was delighted to see an AF Guinness! This cheered me up to no end!

Are there any actual nice AF wines out there?
sending hugs to everyone x

ShyMaryEllen · 21/11/2024 20:10

AFAIK there is no AF wine that tastes the same as an alcoholic one, but there are some that are nice enough in their own right. I like Bon Voyage (available from Amazon) and Not Guilty (also Amazon and in supermarkets such as Tesco). They don't taste like wine - they can't, as there is no alcohol - but they don't taste like children's drinks either, and they come in wine bottles so the ritual of pouring an evening drink is the same.

Would you consider going to A&E anyway, @WendyWagon? A swollen abdomen isn't a great sign, and you might find A&E less traumatic tonight than at a weekend. I hope you're feeling better soon. x

EastCoastDamsel · 21/11/2024 21:26

@WendyWagon go to A&E!

You should not have a swollen belly. Now is far better than Friday

EastCoastDamsel · 21/11/2024 21:37

@Anna73moose it's quite normal to feel sad.
I have found AF wine disappointing tbh
Not so much because it doesn't taste like wine (some do taste remarkably similar - if a bit "thin") but because when I have drunk it, it is like my body is expecting the payload of booze and it doesn't come, which makes the whole experience disappointing.

I do like an AF beer though. Leffe 0% is probably my favourite.

Itsrainingten · 21/11/2024 22:08

EastCoastDamsel · 21/11/2024 21:26

@WendyWagon go to A&E!

You should not have a swollen belly. Now is far better than Friday

Agreed. Please get yourself checked out. Hope you're ok

Onewildandpreciouslife · 22/11/2024 07:24

Morning all.
Hope you’re ok @WendyWagon
@Anna73moose I used to find the AF roses better than the AF whites - Sainsburys and M&S own brand were ok. Sparkling af wine tends to be better than still, as well. It was all about the glass for me! I bother less with af alternatives these days, but they were incredibly helpful when I was starting out.

WendyWagon · 22/11/2024 08:05

Morning all. I slept the sleep of the rightious. The belly has gone down. We were home to Mrs bottom burp as my DH would say (hysterical on a huge 6'5'' ex sportsman). He's so old fashioned.
One Yorkshire tea down.
I haven't put my nose out of the door since Monday.

On the subject of AF wines I think the best I tried was Asda sparkling Savigion Blanc. I prefer the AF gins and I wasn't a gin drinker, it made me cry. However on the advice of the thread legends I bought a gin glass and the rest is history.
I was on the milk last night. Blue top for my bones.

EastCoastDamsel · 22/11/2024 10:57

Very glad to hear you are working @WendyWagon .

Look after yourself.

REP22 · 22/11/2024 11:34

Morning all. Oh, bless your heart @WendyWagon I'm sorry you've had a hellish night, but glad the tum has gone down. That was proper scary. Hopefully it was trapped wind, which can be utterly horrible all by itself. Hope that it was a one-off and you're continuing to mend.

@Anna73moose I'm sorry you were so sad in Tesco's. I can well associate with that. When I was in the earliest days of giving up, back in 2017, I burst into tears in Aldi when I walked past a cut-price whisky display (Scotch was my toxin of choice).

I think it's helpful to call it a form of grief. You are grieving for the loss of what you formerly thought was your comfort and "fun friend", and for the realisation that it had been deceiving you all that time. Like a "best mate" who's been trying to poach your OH on the sly for ages, or a work colleague who you thought was an ally but who had actually been slagging you off in the coffee room and sniping about you to your boss. Betrayal hurts. And losing something that you thought brought you joy (although it didn't) is hard. Plus feeling angry and humiliated that you let it dominate you and draw you into its insidious grip. These are all things that I have felt, and still feel sometimes.

I think it's important to allow yourself to grieve the loss of the drink. Look up a grieving website and follow the stages of grief - allow yourself to feel and process them, with the loss of drinking being the body-casing in the casket, if that might be helpful. And know that you are not here because you are weak, stupid or easily led. You are here because you are strong and you deserve the better future that you are making for yourself.

I've said this before in a previous thread, but I'll paraphrase myself again. Sorrow and grief at the loss of drinking and the drinking-feelings in the early stages of the first few glasses is a bit like attending the funeral of a much-loved aunt. She's gone and you are beside yourself at the loss of her warm, witty persona, her funny anecdotes, her crazy adventures. But after the last vol-au-von at the wake has been cleared away, your mind starts to turn, and it occurs to you - actually she wasn't that much fun. She had a nasty, cruel streak, which laughed at the misfortune of others. Her jokes were at the expense of "lesser" people. Sometimes too much time in her company made you feel physically sick. She humiliated herself and others and her funny anecdotes delighted in this. Her crazy adventures generally revolved around drunken misadventures in public that could've had unpleasant consequences for herself and others (like the time she puked on a Policeman or wet herself on the night-bus to Camden! Hilarious!). Actually, looking back, when you think about it - Fun Aunty was really rather a bit of a sh~t. Part of you isn't sorry she's gone, quite frankly.

But that's also quite a simplistic view. Booze has gripped us all in different ways, at different levels. Sometimes it has "helped" us (even if only superficially). It's OK to feel wretched without it. But we've started to see it for what it really is and that's never nice, about anything. So do give yourself permission to grieve, cry and mourn the loss of the drinking days. You are infinitely better off without them, but it's still allowed to feel hurt and be sad. Sometimes being very sad indeed is the step towards being happy again.

And I have never found an AF wine that I liked. I tend to steer clear of AF alternatives, as I worry I might find them triggering. Although I was pleasantly surprised by an AF Peroni "beer" that a friend let me have a swig of in London last week, which was very nice (although at around £7 a pop, I would have enjoyed every last drop on principle).

Strength and love to you. Here's a little weekend kiss from Sid, to wish you all well. Keep going; it will be alright soon, honest. x

The Continuing Support Thread for Anyone Trying to Lead an Alcohol-Free Life Winter 2024
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ShyMaryEllen · 22/11/2024 13:31

Great to hear that you are ok @WendyWagon. When I thought I had cirrhosis I lived in fear of ascites, as it is a very worrying sign that things have taken a serious turn for the worse. Wind, uncomfortable though it can be (for all in the vicinity), is usually harmless. Does this mean that the weight loss drugs have been exonerated?

I finished the first of the sleeveless jumpers today, and it is soaking now (so I can pull it into the right shape). I'll cast on the second one later.

WendyWagon · 22/11/2024 15:23

The weightloss drugs are being investigated by the big pharma. UK office. Straight on it today. Too much money at steak

REP22 · 22/11/2024 15:31

Blimey @WendyWagon - that's scary. There doesn't seem to have been much in the way of regulation of these drugs. Or perhaps I have missed it (quite likely). Hope you are doing OK.

@ShyMaryEllen top stuff on the knitting. We shall need pictures when finished. Sid is fascinated by knitting - he sits mesmerised watching my M knitting of an evening. Or perhaps he is hatching plans for the needles...

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CarrotSeeds · 22/11/2024 18:32

@REP22 Your post about alcohol and grief came at exactly the right time for me. I came home about an hour ago after a very stressful week (lots of caring responsibilities) and hellish drive home, tired, hungry and all I could think of was "bloody hell I want a drink". ☹️

Then my daughter (who has just gone through a horrible break up) poured herself a glass of white. And my husband opened a bottle of nice red, because it's the weekend right? And they are those sensible and lucky people who can moderate and have a few glasses tonight then probably nothing for another week. Where's I ........ And I feel angry and tearful and resentful and totally out of sorts which is ridiculous as I have so much to be thankful for and so many positive things in my life.

I've poured myself an AF Tanqueray and started cooking dinner. I'll have a bath soon which should help too. I haven't really felt like this since the first few days after stopping drinking, almost 7 weeks now. And feel a bit blindsided by it.

Thanks so much to Wendy and Rep and ShyMaryEllen and OneWild and EastCoast and everyone else who posts on this thread. I think you are all the only reason I haven't caved this evening.

REP22 · 22/11/2024 18:44

Oh, bless you lovely @CarrotSeeds - I am so sorry you've had such a sh~tty day. That's not fair. And then to have the further stabs of bottles being opened around you, the absolute last thing that you need.

You're doing so well. You're up there on goddess-level now, and you're doing your absolute best. Your strength and courage are so inspiring, to me and others on the threads, and the value of your kindness and support of the rest of us on here is impossible to overstate.

Sending you a massive virtual hug Carrot. The world is a better place because you are alive in it.

It won't always be this sh~t, honest. With love. ❤️💐❤️

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CarrotSeeds · 22/11/2024 18:45

*whereas I. Bloody autocorrect 😩

CarrotSeeds · 22/11/2024 18:46

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