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Continuing support group for those affected by someone else's drinking

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pointythings · 30/09/2024 18:39

Our current thread is nearly full, and it's too valuable to lose in the mists of time, so this is thread 2. Come here if you are struggling with a loved one's drinking - partner, parent, child, friend, there's support for you here no matter which person in your life is struggling with the drink and having an adverse impact on you. The women on here have all been there or are still going through it. We support and advise each other, we don't judge, we listen.

Original thread here to refer back to: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/alcohol_support/4581221-support-group-for-those-affected-by-someone-elses-drinking

Support group for those affected by someone else's drinking | Mumsnet

Hi I haven't seen a dedicated thread for the families or partners of alcoholics / problem drinkers so I thought I'd start one for people to check in f...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/alcohol_support/4581221-support-group-for-those-affected-by-someone-elses-drinking

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CharlotteByrde · 16/07/2025 21:11

@pointythings yes I definitely reached my rock bottom. Better late than never. @whattodoforthebest2 I guess because the need for alcohol has taken over their brain to the point that sensible choices have become almost impossible.

Nogoodusername · 17/07/2025 18:52

Hi all. I hope it’s ok to join. I broke off contact with my partner 7 days ago. We thankfully didn’t live together and have children from a previous relationship not together so I am able to do that.

His ex wife left him due to addiction and rather stupidly I believed the narrative that she was abusive and the reason he drank to excess.

He does accept he is an addict, but it’s always something else at fault for why he can’t maintain recovery - the divorce, child custody arrangements, living alone, my refusal to live with him or make him part of family (alcoholic parents myself, was not imposing this shit show on my two teens), etc etc. He’s been in and out of rehab for the past two years and each relapse has slowly destroyed me. It’s just an endlessly downward spiral, he has got more and more erratic and angry and resentful. His fits of rage at the world are scarey and we are all then supposed to accept the verbal abuse on the basis that his life is shit and ‘addiction made him to do it’.

I have to come to the realisation that I can’t save him or live like this anymore. I’ve made so many excuses for him - all the things he has lost etc. I’ve given up hope that it will ever be different. I guess I am just asking for reassurance that walking away doesn’t make me a bad person? So many suicide threats previously and I always have hanging over me - what if this time he goes through with it and it’s my fault.

Userccjlnhibibljn8 · 17/07/2025 19:56

Much of your story reasonates with me. I had the opportunity to talk with my late husband’s ex wife before we met at his funeral (she was effectively his adult kids mother). It was like looking in a mirror, so odd to have so much in common with a stranger. I share this to emphasise it is them not you, you have done the strong thing to walk away. Pointythings made a wonderful point about rock bottom up thread, we are all on that path.
My husband did in the end commit suicide, but everyone in his life had tried everything to help him. My therapist told me that he would have seen it as a solution, and I suppose in the end he made an active choice when he couldn’t see any other way to conquer the addiction. I don’t think I am a bad person, I had to reclaim myself, and it sounds like you know you need to do that too, and have had other addicts in your life so know the 3 Cs.
I know this is not a happy tale, but you are not alone, and you have to look after yourself and your children, and it is possible to come out the other side from the worst possible scenario 🌼

pointythings · 17/07/2025 20:34

@Nogoodusername I have also been where you are now. Take it from me, alcoholics don't change unless and until they are ready to do so, and nobody is responsible for their drinking except they themselves.

Him blaming you is just another way for him to justify his need to appease his addiction. Read up on the 3 Cs: You didn't cause this, you can't cure it, you can't control it.

You have 100% done the right thing by walking away from this man and protecting yourself and your family. At the same time, everything you feel is valid, and you are allowed to be sad about what might have been had this man not been an addict.

If you have any more questions, or if you need to vent, just post on here. We're all there for you.

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Penguinsandspaniels · 17/07/2025 20:39

If he kills his self then that’s his choice

nothing you did or do will cause it change that

HowardTJMoon · 17/07/2025 22:13

I was on the receiving end of a number of suicide threats. One night after yet another call where she said she'd taken a bunch of paracetamol I decided not to do what I'd always done and spend hours trying to persuade her to go to the hospital. Instead I put the phone down on her, called 999 and sent an ambulance to her house. She was incandescent with rage but she never tried that game with me again.

Zebracat · 17/07/2025 23:09

Yep I’ve done the suicide watch thing too. The last time whilst on a train in rush hour, having to give the Police, air ambulance, ambulance excruciatingly intimate details of my family . They found them eventually, no one took any notice of them on the beach so they went to the woods, but then they went home and made tea , laughed when the police turned up.And I must have misunderstood of course they hadn’t taken 40 paracetamol and no they didn’t need medical care. I cut contact that day. I was so drained. They are still alive, years later. I know others do take their lives . But as everyone else has said, that is their choice. Your responsibility is to you and your children and you don’t need this drama in your lives.

Nogoodusername · 18/07/2025 13:30

Thanks everyone.

The thing is, I do have sympathy for him because it must be really shit to be addicted. To be in a constant battle between the thing your brain is telling you that you need, and the knowing that it has brought you nothing but chaos and destruction. BUT, I just can’t live like this anymore.

did anyone else find that their addicted partner/addict seemed to grow more and more narcissistic as the addiction progressed? I began to feel like I didn’t exist as a person anymore, more just a prop in his story. He really resented that my life was better than his - that I still had a job, a home, contact with my children, decent relationships with my family. Lots of sarcasm about my ‘perfect life’s Whenever my attention was focused on something else in my life, he would throw a crisis or make it all about how it affected him. My child’s birthday? Mental health crisis and A&E visit. End of life care for a relative? Mental health crisis and suicide threats. Important work event? Nasty texts.

I’d stopped giving the suicide threats air time by the end - would just repeat ad nauseum “phone the crisis line” and would block if abusive messages started. But deep down I have the deep seated fear that this time he might go through with it because what is left to lose now. It’s good to hear from the PP that even if that worst does happen, I will survive it and be able to lay blame at where it really lies - which is not me/

Nogoodusername · 18/07/2025 13:32

I agree on the rock bottom comment too. Every time I thought he had reached bottom, it ended up not being. Loss of child contact, loss of even supervised contact, broken relationships with his siblings, financial ruin, loss of job, even a DUI arrest. I stuck around for all those things and I think I have to admit defeat. I didn’t make it any better, I didn’t stop the descent, but I am losing myself and my health in the process. The longest he has been sober out of rehab is 6 weeks. It’s a life on knife edge and I just can’t chose it for myself anymore. It’s ruining me

Userccjlnhibibljn8 · 18/07/2025 14:06

@Nogoodusername Yes absolutely his narcissistic and abusive behaviour escalated, and it was that which lead me to call the police in my case. I no longer felt safe and the moments of clarity were few and far between. The last couple of weeks I spent running around trying to make things right, which was an impossible task. I was, as you say, on a knife edge and had lost any sense of what was normal. I lost any ability to detach, and was seeing my behaviour become more and more sensitive.

What has helped me move forward is an understanding that his behaviour was not normal, whether it was legally controlling and coercive I will never find out, but in talking with friends and others who had been through similar things I have been growing in my awareness that he was textbook in his behaviour.

I was able to talk with a therapist, and also to have some friends who professional experience in this area. I also found forums like this one immensely helpful, particularly in holding me back from contacting him when that was all I wanted to do, I had someone to hold me accountable in the small hours when it would have been so easy to press send on a text. Journalling feelings, and endless letters to him also helped. Keeping busy kept my mind busy, even though often all I wanted to do was stop.

So keep coming here, and rant as you want.

fumanchu · 18/07/2025 16:45

@nogoodusername, your comments about the addicted partner saying you have a perfect life really resonate with me. I try to keep busy, go the gym, see friends, have a part time job, and am told it's OK for you, you do your (insert any activity I do). Yes, I don't want to listen to you once the neat gin has been drunk by 10.00 am and you fall asleep.

pointythings · 18/07/2025 16:56

Mine played the victim more than he developed narciccist tendencies, but he had always struggled with low self esteem. The narrative was the same though: it's all very well for you, you have x, y and z and I don't. Really basic things like a job I liked, friends, hobbies - all the things he had skilfully drunk his way out of.

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Penguinsandspaniels · 18/07/2025 17:24

Those who threaten rarely do

I got told that and I have to agree with it

Nogoodusername · 18/07/2025 17:51

Oh goodness, the playing the victim too. I’d constantly try and talk up what good things he did have in his life in the earlier stages of addiction, before he lost those too one by one.

I do feel like I had become addicted to caring about him and helping him. I’ve tried to cut contact before as he stepped over one red line after another, and would always be reeled back in by an emergency and would feel almost like a high of having that initial text or whatever. This time though I am determined. Maybe my rock bottom. I want to be able to focus on my job, enjoy my summer with my teenagers, not dread a birthday because it would provoke a drama about my perfect life with my friends or family and how he has none of that etc.

Nogoodusername · 18/07/2025 17:54

It’s madness isn’t it. In his rages, I would get reels of texts insulting me and swearing at me and be scared of my phone. I felt under attack. Towards the end I stopped accepting the apologies (which were false apologies - sorry that I am different and you don’t understand what it’s like to be an addict) and that was like red rag to a bull - how dare I not understand that he didn’t mean it/ frustration made him do it/ his hard life made him do it. He is the most unforgiving person I know and yet expects endless forgiveness because an addicts life is hard.

Userccjlnhibibljn8 · 18/07/2025 18:34

You might want to read up about Trauma Bonds, also the book ‘Why does he do that?’ I was also recommended to listen to last year’s Reith Lectures which I hope would still be available on BBC Sounds. They all help ‘define’ their behaviour, particularly if abuse is part of it.

Someone on another post I had here put it very well, that we try to explain their behaviour by what we think is normal, but that is not their frame of reference.

pointythings · 18/07/2025 19:03

Nogoodusername · 18/07/2025 17:51

Oh goodness, the playing the victim too. I’d constantly try and talk up what good things he did have in his life in the earlier stages of addiction, before he lost those too one by one.

I do feel like I had become addicted to caring about him and helping him. I’ve tried to cut contact before as he stepped over one red line after another, and would always be reeled back in by an emergency and would feel almost like a high of having that initial text or whatever. This time though I am determined. Maybe my rock bottom. I want to be able to focus on my job, enjoy my summer with my teenagers, not dread a birthday because it would provoke a drama about my perfect life with my friends or family and how he has none of that etc.

Mine talked down everything good he still had in his life when he had it. He tried to convince me that our teenage DC were problematic and badly behaved. These were two kids who excelled at school, had lovely friends, got regular positive teacher commendations for hard work and helpfulness, got on with everyone. Were they perfect? Of course not, no-one is. But his problem? They occasionally said 'Fuck', and his sainted dead mother hated that word so they were 100% bad.

And it still took me two years to detach after that little conversation. God, I was stupid.

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Nogoodusername · 18/07/2025 20:03

pointythings · 18/07/2025 19:03

Mine talked down everything good he still had in his life when he had it. He tried to convince me that our teenage DC were problematic and badly behaved. These were two kids who excelled at school, had lovely friends, got regular positive teacher commendations for hard work and helpfulness, got on with everyone. Were they perfect? Of course not, no-one is. But his problem? They occasionally said 'Fuck', and his sainted dead mother hated that word so they were 100% bad.

And it still took me two years to detach after that little conversation. God, I was stupid.

Not at all. I feel like I don’t recognise myself any more in terms of the things I would find an excuse for or come back from. I believed so much of the narrative until I became the narrative too.

Userccjlnhibibljn8 · 18/07/2025 22:05

I moved from 2 ‘forever’ houses for mine because where we were wasn’t right (he felt constrained by my wish to be within an hour or two of my parents and life in London which gives enough options)….which why I ended up in the West Country away from my physical support system. I kicked him out 4 months after the move…..I think he had realised that he had no further excuses and had to face up to reality, which just sent him spiralling…..
Sometimes I look at my friends with normal balanced relationships and wonder why it went so wrong, and how someone who is intelligent and resourceful could have done so much to try to make a lost cause better. Hey go….

Nogoodusername · 19/07/2025 08:26

I’ve woken up to two voicemails (even though he is blocked, he can still leave a voicemail). One slightly manic sounding around 10pm that he is calling for advice. One around 2am slurring that he will be dead tomorrow and is calling to say goodbye. Potentially taken an overdose, he’s done that before a couple of times (though not levels to actually kill, more to knock him out). I’ve passed on information about the messages to one of his friends and will leave it for them to follow up with. Totally rattled and feel sick with fear, but I know I cannot be dragged back in to the drama and crisis.

pointythings · 19/07/2025 09:43

I'd be looking up whether it is possible to block voicemails from blocked numbers on your phone. It's definitely worth a bit of Googling, you don't need this in your life. It keeps you linked to him via his mates, and you want to be stepping away completely. Stay strong.

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Penguinsandspaniels · 19/07/2025 10:20

Nogoodusername · 19/07/2025 08:26

I’ve woken up to two voicemails (even though he is blocked, he can still leave a voicemail). One slightly manic sounding around 10pm that he is calling for advice. One around 2am slurring that he will be dead tomorrow and is calling to say goodbye. Potentially taken an overdose, he’s done that before a couple of times (though not levels to actually kill, more to knock him out). I’ve passed on information about the messages to one of his friends and will leave it for them to follow up with. Totally rattled and feel sick with fear, but I know I cannot be dragged back in to the drama and crisis.

So sorry you have to deal with this

how can he leave a message if he is blocked

Nogoodusername · 19/07/2025 11:34

I’ll definitely try to find a way to block voicemails from blocked numbers. Or just switch off my voicemail entirely. I got another voicemail (so he isn’t dead) saying he was outside my house. I was on a very wet dog walk and he wasn’t there by the time I got back. But I feel even more bombarded now.

pointythings · 19/07/2025 13:20

Nogoodusername · 19/07/2025 11:34

I’ll definitely try to find a way to block voicemails from blocked numbers. Or just switch off my voicemail entirely. I got another voicemail (so he isn’t dead) saying he was outside my house. I was on a very wet dog walk and he wasn’t there by the time I got back. But I feel even more bombarded now.

If he starts sitting outside your house, you need to start keeping a log of such incidents. The voicemails too, until you have blocked them. Stalking is an offence - if he strays into that territory, the police should have a word.

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Nogoodusername · 21/07/2025 10:48

Latest from me. Emails to my work account yesterday - complaining of chest pain, claiming he was having a suspected heart attack and going to A&E, and then one saying he was at an emergency appointment and his BP was fine. Still managed to get in two jibes about “enjoy your family holiday” (the thing I still get to do but he doesn’t because of loss of child contact due to his addiction) while having a heart attack. Basically working through the manipulation playbook. On the plus side, the behaviour is so predictable that I’m feeling stronger than ever about my decision to walk away. Nothing like overt attempts at emotional manipulation to quash the guilt!