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Continuing support group for those affected by someone else's drinking

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pointythings · 30/09/2024 18:39

Our current thread is nearly full, and it's too valuable to lose in the mists of time, so this is thread 2. Come here if you are struggling with a loved one's drinking - partner, parent, child, friend, there's support for you here no matter which person in your life is struggling with the drink and having an adverse impact on you. The women on here have all been there or are still going through it. We support and advise each other, we don't judge, we listen.

Original thread here to refer back to: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/alcohol_support/4581221-support-group-for-those-affected-by-someone-elses-drinking

Support group for those affected by someone else's drinking | Mumsnet

Hi I haven't seen a dedicated thread for the families or partners of alcoholics / problem drinkers so I thought I'd start one for people to check in f...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/alcohol_support/4581221-support-group-for-those-affected-by-someone-elses-drinking

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pointythings · 06/05/2025 18:17

Longweekenders · 06/05/2025 17:44

I am just parking here that I am so so so sad that my mum, successfully in AA herself for decades, would like me to apologise to my alcoholic sister for my alcoholic sister not turning up to Mother’s Day and the nice lunch I had arranged, and also for her (my sister) calling me still drunk from the night before and berating / me mother ‘why does she think Mother’s Day is all about HER’ etc etc.

I absolutely snapped back at the end of the drunken berating and this is completely unacceptable and indeed my very sensitive child has just come in in tears to reveal my mum told MY CHILDREN who are 11 and under and were unaware of the situation that I ‘should apologise to their aunty’.

I can’t even ask my mother if this is true as I am so so furious and we will then also row. But also sad.

You are allowed to be sad. Your mum is still in the alcoholic mindset and is now also enabling your sister and that is awful.

But you absolutely do not have to do what your mum wants, and I hope you know that. Come and vent here any time you need to.Flowers

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Longweekenders · 06/05/2025 18:29

Thank you so much for replying, I really appreciate it. I do absolutely think my mum is enabling my sister.

I just also feel like my sister ‘has’ to make me the ‘bad one’ and to make it worse we live in a very boozy small town where our activities overlap. I absolutely feel it’s likely my sister is publicly painting me to be the awful one and is likely so in denial that she believes it.

I have been through this before with a dear friend who has been lost to alcoholism and she was absolutely foul to me, it felt so unfair. I can’t bear to go through it again. It feels like that bit in Rachel’s Holiday where Rachel and the other patients have to blacken the names of their friends and families in order to cope.

pointythings · 06/05/2025 19:30

@Longweekenders your perception of your sister as having a need to make you 'the bad guy' is accurate. This is how addicts think. If your sister does not think like this, she risks having to accept that she has a problem and that it is up to her to fix that, and that would mean taking steps to deal with her addiction. Denial is easier.

It is entirely up to you to decide how you live your life in relation to your family. Sadly there are no easy happy choices in this situation (believe me, I've been there - twice, just like you), but there are choices you can make that will protect your emotional wellbeing. Set boundaries and stick to them. Seek support for yourself - you've already made a start by posting here, but it may be worth looking at the AdFam website to see if there is anything local to you.

You have insight. Make it work for you.

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Fupoffyagrasshole · 07/05/2025 09:19

Hi all! came across this thread late last night!

my husband popped to the shop yday evening to collect a vinted parcel for me and when he came back i saw he also had a bottle of vodka in a plastic bag - I assumed it was for us to have a drink at the weekend or whatever. Then after putting kids to bed I come into living room and he's asleep on the sofa (we have a baby and a toddler so its full on and we are up a lot in the night still) so assumed just tired - however I found the bottle of vodka half empty! so he obviously drank it. WTF - A few months back we did have an issue with him drinking a bit much (when i say a bit much I mean he was pouring a a G&T every evening or whatever - when normally we'd only drink at the weekend.

He knocked it on the head - or so I thought and now this has happened - so obviously im thinking he switched to secret drinking.

I don't know what to do or how to bring it up with him and how to proceed basically! I got in bed with my toddler last night and was up with the baby 3 times so I've barely slept and obviously he was no help - not that i would have sent him in drunk to deal with either child.

I'm at work now like a zombie and feel so sad and worried

Anyone any advice on how to proceed

Longweekenders · 07/05/2025 09:31

Thanks again. I’m sorry that you also have gone through this. I’m so sorry that ALL of us have had to have our lives blighted by this emotional shitshow that is so wrapped up in lies and repression and hiding the truth, and being punished for NOT denying the truth.

I have to say I am super excited about the emergence of some of the weight loss drugs in treating addictive compulsions. But removing the compulsions and the anaesthetising effect of alcohol would surely mean facing up to the painful emotional issues that the alcohol is hiding and has been hiding for decades?

But then a lot of those issues were caused by alcohol!!! It’s literally causing and alleviating and deepening all these issues. It’s like a vine that looks pretty at first but is invasive and ends by strangling everything it sees.

I woke up today so, SO resentful that my mum is siding with my sister (I think there’s a lot of main character, ‘brave heroines fighting against the world’ energy involved) I don’t ever want her to take sides either way but am devastated she’s gone this way and cannot understand it. And so resentful that I’m some ways I don’t actually think I’m a real person to my sister, just a two dimensional annoyance who has to be relegated to ‘boring’ and ‘unkind’ to keep the whole caravan rolling.

CharlotteByrde · 07/05/2025 11:17

@Fupoffyagrasshole I'm really sorry. Chances are, if he downing half a bottle of straight vodka, that he has been drinking secretly for a while. Certainly speak to him about it -it's not acceptable behaviour when you both have tiny children to look after - but be aware you might not get an answer-just lies, excuses, deflection and blame.

CharlotteByrde · 07/05/2025 11:29

@Longweekenders your feelings of anger and resentment are totally normal-we've all felt the same -but they won't touch your mother or sister -any expression of anger will probably just make them feel validated, so really your anger will only hurt you. You maybe need to reduce contact, for both yourself and your kids, and step back emotionally as much as you can manage. No more trying to arrange lovely social events for someone who doesn't have the brain-space to think of other people's wants and needs. Your sister is an alcoholic and her brain has been taken over by her craving for drink and her need to keep up a pretence that this is not a problem. By reminding her that it is indeed a problem, you naturally become the bad guy.

Fupoffyagrasshole · 07/05/2025 11:48

CharlotteByrde · 07/05/2025 11:17

@Fupoffyagrasshole I'm really sorry. Chances are, if he downing half a bottle of straight vodka, that he has been drinking secretly for a while. Certainly speak to him about it -it's not acceptable behaviour when you both have tiny children to look after - but be aware you might not get an answer-just lies, excuses, deflection and blame.

Thanks! Have spoken to him about it we dropped kids at nursery and i went home to finish working there today as I couldn't concentrate anyway without talking to him

Very sheepish about it said it wasn’t the first time but it’s also not a regular thing…

I said it’s very different from having a g&t on a different Monday/Tuesday eve !

I've left it at he needs help - and he needs to seek it today.

If he hasn't reached out for help or to try and sort this out i'm taking the kids to my parents house on Saturday and deciding how i want to proceed.

ParentingRollerCoaster · 10/05/2025 22:01

I found this thread and look forward to reading all of the contributions..

I can't bring myself to type what happened in case one day, he found this post...

I go through phases of thinking the facts can not possibly be what they are.. and typing this is making me think that I need to find some support for me.

Life is so precious and so so fragile.

pointythings · 10/05/2025 22:15

I hope that you will find support in reading it. You may wish to read the first thread too - it's linked in my OP.

Lastly, if you are worried about your privacy, feel free to PM me and we can find other ways of supporting you.

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ParentingRollerCoaster · 10/05/2025 22:51

Thank you - I am here - I will be reading and I will work out how to find the support that I need. I already feel like I am in a safe place.

CharlotteByrde · 11/05/2025 11:28

Welcome @ParentingRollerCoaster. Hopefully you'lll be able to relate to other posts on here and the advice on there might help you move forward. Certainly feel free to PM or just change details or just keep coming here to read.

Userccjlnhibibljn8 · 11/05/2025 12:23

@ParentingRollerCoasterHello! I hope you are doing ok today. Knowing there were people who got ‘the crazy’’ was so valuable for me. So ask and rant as you feel able.
Is there anyone in real life you can talk to?

ParentingRollerCoaster · 12/05/2025 13:42

Thank you for your beautiful and warm welcome - I am still making my way through the threads... but it is taking time - I am quite emotional, alternating between fearing what could be ahead for my relative and thinking that I am over reacting.

My son is 20 years old, when he first started drinking, he had three occasions where he drank more than he was capable of dealing with and his friends called us... we talked about the fact that he seemed to have a lower alcohol threshold than his friends and that he needed to be careful. He went to university, joined a sports club, drank lots... I now know that he has blacked out at least three times, but he doesn't seem too concerned because each time 'he got home'. They all appear to have involved spirits - but out drinking, so would have had to buy or be given these rather than drinking from a bottle.

10 days ago, he was in our house, the night before going back to university, he had three beers with his Dad, and we went to bed. He decided he wanted to have something else to drink, tried some champagne cognac which he thought was champagne and some pink gin - it is not clear how much of these he had, because I have no idea how much was in the bottle. He has no recollection after this. At 2am, my husband woke up and realised the lights were still on so went downstairs to find him injured (he had hit his head, broken a drawer and knocked over loads of things), sitting on the kitchen table, as if he was asleep. My husband thought he was sleep walking, we tried to wake him and get him back to bed and quickly realised this was not normal and called an ambulance, realising that he looked very drunk, I thought he might have had a stroke, we found no evidence of drinking, no bottles out, no glasses etc.. much later we found an empty gin bottle, but again, have no idea how much was in the bottle as we have had it for a while....

The ambulance crew arrived and took him to hospital, I went with him, on arrival they said he was in a coma and not making respiratory effort, they put him in a medically induced coma and intubated him before transferring him to another hospital which had intensive care - the first one did not. We got to the second hospital and were asked to wait - I thought he was dead. He was awake and they let us see him after trying to figure out what happened. He had a blood alcohol level of 0.48 which I have calculated would mean that he would have consumed almost a litre of spirits - which makes absolutely no sense what so ever, but I do not disbelieve the hospital blood tests or the severity of the state that he was in.

He was awake, 8 hours after we first found him, tired, embarrassed, not really knowing what had happened and just wanting to go home.

We have talked, and talked... but he is back at university now, and I know he can put on a mask and make things look OK. He is reaching out for support, he is not drinking, but I think he still thinks he will be fine if he avoids spirits..

Meanwhile, here I am, wondering if this is the start of a really difficult journey where the reality is, families can not help. Is it a chemical reaction in his body that means he has can not activate a stop button, is it something that will draw him in and drag him down, will I wake up one day to a message from someone I don't know, telling me he is dead?

If my husband had slept through until 6am, if my husband was not here (because I did not wake up), if we had managed to get him back to bed to sleep it off, if the ambulance had taken longer to get there.... he would most likely be dead.

What if he goes to an event, someone else buys him drinks and he ends up in the same situation, what if he finds a bottle of spirits when he is drunk after a few beers and it kills him.

I cry a lot and wonder if I am blowing this out of proportion.... of if the grim reaper really did come for him and he is coming back...

Zebracat · 12/05/2025 15:29

Crikey. You poor thing. That sounds absolutely terrifying. I can’t help thinking that not very long ago one of the hospital doctors would have put the fear of Death into your boy so forcefully that he would have signed the pledge there and then. So difficult for you, because they just don’t, in my experience, listen to their mothers. But sometimes they will listen to their Dads. Could he have a word and get him to agree, beers only and a maximum of 3? Or something. I’m sure you’ve done this already, but I wouldnt be keeping spirits anywhere accessible either. Is he happy and healthy generally? Does he know you thought he had died?

ParentingRollerCoaster · 12/05/2025 15:57

He does know that we thought he might die - not that he thought he was dead... and he is really sorry that we are so worried about him, He says that he is generally healthy and happy, that he knows this looks like a cry for help, but insists it is not, that he has nothing but good things in his life. He has agreed not to drink for now... I think he has agreed not to drink spirits.. he has told some of his friends... the next time we see him will be a cause for celebration and it feels hard to say that we insist the doesn't do this with alcohol. He does not live with us, so we can not ensure there are no spirits accessible to him... it feels like his beautiful life could be gone in a flash.... and that we would quite simply, never recover.

I have alcoholics and drug addicts in my parents generation, both sides. One uncle drank himself to death in his 50s and one was addicted to drugs and committed suicide in his 30s. There is something in our culture that people are either teetotal or can not be without a drink, my grandfather drank ever day of his adult life and lived into his late 80s.

I drink, less now that I am in my 50s and also have found it difficult to know when to stop - I can go from 2 glasses of wine, to 2 bottles in the blink of an eye.

Userccjlnhibibljn8 · 12/05/2025 17:25

@ParentingRollerCoaster That sounds so scary and based on what your family history says something that you are right to be taking so seriously. This is well beyond my experience, but it feels like you should encourage him to seek counselling/advice. It has to be his choice, and hopefully this will have scared him enough that if you open the channels of communication he may make that decision.

pointythings · 12/05/2025 17:37

I think given your family history, your son needs to be very careful. But only he can make that decision.

I would also look at what you might be able to do for yourself to ensure that 2 glasses doesn't become 2 bottles.

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CharlotteByrde · 12/05/2025 18:34

@ParentingRollerCoaster that must have been so frightening. Maybe a calm discussion with him might help, outlining your family history and the fact that alcoholism runs in families, meaning that he will have to be very careful indeed and might be better to avoid alcohol altogether. You could even admit you have your own issues and suggest you both seek professional advice?

CharlotteByrde · 12/05/2025 18:36

Can I also say, that even if your son ever found this post, he would read only that his mother adores him and wants to keep him safe and well.

Longweekenders · 13/05/2025 10:50

@ParentingRollerCoaster that is absolutely terrifying. I’m so sorry. Exactly the kind of thing that terrifies me would happen to my children with our family history of alcoholism. Please keep sharing here.

I know what you mean about drinking, I think you might benefit now from a period of abstinence to come to terms with what happens? It can be very conflicting as a relation of people suffering with alcohol issues because even if you are in control of your consumption, the ‘friend’ of a nice glass that helps you relax is exactly the same as the ‘foe’ that has you so worried and angry and stressed. It’s tiring and confusing!

ParentingRollerCoaster · 13/05/2025 15:20

Thank you - it has been a while since I had a 2 bottle evening... I haven't been drinking very much for the past few years.

DS went to a support service yesterday and had an appointment with a support worker tomorrow.

I am grateful for this space and for your support.

pointythings · 13/05/2025 16:12

Seeking professional support is a really good sign, and he clearly has a good network at home too. My everything is crossed for him.

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CharlotteByrde · 13/05/2025 21:35

@ParentingRollerCoaster that's good news. Glad he is getting support.

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