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The Continuing Support Thread for Anyone Trying to Lead an Alcohol-Free Life Autumn 2024

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REP22 · 28/08/2024 11:42

Hello and welcome. I’m glad you’ve found your way here. We are a bunch of people who are trying to give up and keep off alcohol. No judgement, just honest support and kindness.
The original thread was started by @Drybird2020 in 2020 and we have plenty of veterans and newer members who can offer advice and signposting. You are welcome here, whether you post several times a day, once or twice and then never again, or if you only just come to read but have no intention of ever posting.
Whatever your stage on the AF journey, and whatever you’re going through, someone here will have gone through it too. Don’t be shy about posting, we love to celebrate your successes of whatever shape and size - and will support you when things get challenging. We get it, we've been there too.

All we ask is that you’re genuinely trying to abstain. We don't encourage moderation-only here, as it can be triggering for some to read. If you’re looking to moderate your drinking rather than quitting it altogether then MN has another long-running and very active moderation/abstaining thread that’s always near the top on the alcohol support board. Lots of fine support there from those worthy people too.

I started trying to give up drink in 2018, succeeded (mostly) in 2019 but had a few “wobbles”, one of which led me here in April 2023, where @WendyWagon (our most recent ship’s captain) and the others made me feel so welcome. This thread and its wonderful posters has been a lifesaver to many, and have certainly seen me through many good and not-so-good days.

These books were particularly helpful to me and I still go back to them from time to time: The Sober Diaries by Clare Pooley (Amazon - Sober Diaries) and The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober by Catherine Gray (Amazon - Unexpected Joy). Others have found This Naked Mind by Annie Grace (Amazon - This Naked Mind) helpful. There are Apps that help track your AF journey, including Reframe and the one I use, I Am Sober. Podcasts can also be helpful. I have found One for the Road by Sober Dave to be a good listen. But different things work for different people. Feel free to post and ask. There is solidarity, wisdom and support here. This is a safe space where your voice will be heard, understood and valued.

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EastCoastDamsel · 29/08/2024 09:14

@Phoebewillow is could very well be your brain chemistry adjusting

Sober Powered - First Year

Sober Powered - Dopamine

Spotify

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5Nkzo6UdAmGQJzUUpgWky8?si=PKcwGAgXQLWbNHbAAPiTFw

Itsrainingten · 29/08/2024 13:52

Aha! Found you all!

NextPhaseOfLife · 29/08/2024 22:00

Well hello hello shipmates 🥳

Thanks for taking the helm, @REP22 and Sid, and thanks for steering the previous route so well @WendyWagon

Welcome @Marchpane123 and @frankiefirstyear - great to have you on the thread.

I'm 4 months in and just completed an AF work party - it was flipping marvellous. I loved the freedom of being just me.

And being on the train sober is also a complete joy. Who knew!

Itsrainingten · 29/08/2024 22:02

Well done @NextPhaseOfLife being sober at work do's is indeed fabulous. Late train home surrounded by drunks eating kebabs or McDonald's whilst sober not so much in my opinion, but I'll take it!

NextPhaseOfLife · 29/08/2024 22:07

@Itsrainingten

😂😂😂😂 you're right - I think it's because i'm sober that I'm on an earlier train and not the midnight vomit comet - I do fancy a McDonalds now though 😂😂

CockerMum · 29/08/2024 22:13

Hi all, I’ve dipped in I reckon once or twice in the past. Stumbled across again today. I’m 4 years sober nearly but I am wondering did anyone replace their alcohol with sugar? I did. Now I’ve gone (almost) cold turkey on the sugar and inexplicably dreaming of cigarettes?!?! Used to be a bit of a smoker never for years at a time though, not had a ciggie for over 5 years so this is bizarre. Just interested to hear others’ experiences

Itsrainingten · 29/08/2024 22:18

I haven't been too bad on the sugar really but I do sometimes find myself dreaming about smoking weed - not cigarettes though - which I haven't done since my early 20s (gave up the ciggies early 30s)
I definitely drink too much coffee too but I'm ignoring that for now.

ShyMaryEllen · 29/08/2024 23:33

I definitely replaced booze with sugar. I never had a sweet tooth until I stopped drinking, but I’m a terrible sugar hound now.

in other news, my new bathroom has leaked and there is water in the kitchen. Husband has had to poke holes in the ceiling. I could cry.

Marchpane123 · 30/08/2024 01:21

So sorry to hear about your bathroom @ShyMaryEllen - I find house issues so stressful, probably because I am hopeless at DIY.
Thank you so much to everyone in the group for the warm welcome. I had a stressful evening last night and thought about caving - then thought I can’t come on here and report back if I do that! So I waited and the feeling passed. Day 12 completed.

Itsrainingten · 30/08/2024 06:44

Well done @Marchpane123 I bet you're feeling great this morning for not giving in.
@ShyMaryEllen sorry to hear about the leak in your new bathroom. I think you absolutely have the right to cry. I would. Hope it gets sorted soon (today!!)

NextPhaseOfLife · 30/08/2024 07:29

Nice job @Marchpane123

The early days are tough - you're doing it 👏👏👏 what are you up to today?

Sorry about the ceiling, @ShyMaryEllen - those things are just a total pain in the bum 😡😡😡

My work event last night had LOADS of mocktails, AF beers and gins. It was like being let loose in a sweet shop.

I know AF alternatives aren't good for some people, completely get that, I can see how they could trigger if that's the way you're wired.

I'm back on the train now after 5 hours sleep - have had to do that regularly after an alcohol fuelled events (luckily walk to the station) but it is definitely much easier with a clear head 🤩

EastCoastDamsel · 30/08/2024 07:43

Morning all

So sorry to hear about your leaky bathroom @ShyMaryEllen . We have had 2 bathrooms do similar, one thanks to the plumbers and another because of DH's inexpert attempts at replacing a shower. It is so so stressful. I hope it gets sorted soon.

Big 90 for me today! When I first decided to have break 90 days was my goal, by day 4 I had decided that I want it to be forever and on day 6 I joined this amazing group.

I have been a little worried about today and feeling like you've "done enough" but I have made my pledges this morning and know In my heart of hearts that I don't want to drink today. @ShyMaryEllen had said on the previous thread, the count doesn't matter, just today matters.

@Marchpane123 well done for resisting the wine witch..it does get easier, I promise.

@CockerMum I have always had a sweet tooth and indefinitely crave sweets more. Though, I have been working on improving my gut health since quitting (trying to eat mostly veg and lean protein, limiting white carbs, having the Zoe 30+ seed and nut mix on my eggs every morning etc) and I have found that that has helped me diminish the craving or at least help me resist the urge to eat sweets and swap for fruit instead.

Onewildandpreciouslife · 30/08/2024 09:05

Congratulations on your 90 days @EastCoastDamsel ! 👏👏👏

WendyWagon · 30/08/2024 09:11

Morning all.
Blinking phone is playing up.
@EastCoastDamsel well done.

Onewildandpreciouslife · 30/08/2024 09:53

Your work do sounds great @NextPhaseOfLife - I love not having to “watch” myself.

It’s good they had good AF choices- not like my place where when I asked for a Diet Coke was asked if I wanted a Bacardi in it 🙄

ShyMaryEllen · 30/08/2024 10:35

Congratulations, @EastCoastDamsel! 90 days is another real milestone.

Husband is dropping a key off at the bathroom showroom this afternoon and we are going away for the weekend. They think it might be a nut under the bath that has worked loose, which on one hand would be good as it's easy to fix, but on the other is maddening, as it sounds like a schoolboy error, and I have holes in my kitchen ceiling (and I only had the kitchen done at Christmas😡).

I really wish there were more AF options readily available. There are plenty to buy and keep in the house, but when we're out and about there is such a limited range - specially if like me you don't like Coke.

WendyWagon · 30/08/2024 11:15

I like seedlip, tonic and ice. I tend to eat out in the Cotswolds. Seedlip is expensive so every restaurant has it. I hate coke too.
I oncd gave a friend Gordon's af and she didn't notice.
Off to see what Marks have. In need of posh fruit and stuff for the DDs birthday tomorrow.

ShyMaryEllen · 30/08/2024 12:00

I like Seedlip, but prefer 'wine' with food. I have a bottle of Orange Gordons (?) gin in the cupboard. My daughter's employer used to give bottles of the real thing at Christmas, but switched to the AF stuff a couple of years ago in the interests of inclusivity, and she passed it to me. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm not sure how I feel about orange gin either, really. I should try it before deciding against it, shouldn't I?

REP22 · 30/08/2024 14:37

Hello all. Hearty greetings to you. I am sorry I was absent yesterday - shockingly bad form from me. A situation has surfaced and almost all of yesterday was taken up with managing it, and much of today too. An attempt by someone to do something naughty has blown up spectacularly in their face, with massive ramifications for others on the periphery. The person responsible doesn't know that I know yet. Merde will impact heavily against ventilateur on Monday and the spray generated will be epic and potent. Sid has oiled the hinges on the nuclear bunker doors, dusted off our tinfoil helmets and prepared for incoming.

Apologies for not tagging the regulars in the new thread - I'm very glad you have found your way here.

Welcome @frankiefirstyear - I am so sorry to hear of your partner's diagnosis and how it's affecting you both. It must be devastating. The world has suddenly and violently shifted beneath your feet and it's not fair. It doesn't take much to be "medically deemed" an alcoholic - I certainly qualified as a high-functioning one myself - and it's often applicable to those you'd least suspect or even consider. As @EastCoastDamsel suggests, one associates the term with the poor s~ds lying face-down in the park flower beds at 10am clutching a bottle in a bag, not respectable, ordinary people. It's a badge no-one wants to wear. I agree with the others who have said that it's probably not helpful to frame it along the lines of "you are an alcoholic and it needs to stop". Lots of helpful resources have been mentioned. Al-Anon can be found here: Al-Anon UK | For families & friends of alcoholics. Most people don't respond well to 'preaching', pleading or repetition of "the problem" - I didn't. Kindness, tolerance, patience and understanding are things that work well, coupled with a firm refusal to indulge the procurement and consumption of more alcohol. Though I appreciate that that makes it sound far simpler than the reality actually is. I'm sorry.

Might it be helpful to look at it in terms of an allergy? I am terribly allergic to nuts (somewhat ironic, as a lot of people probably consider me to be a nut of sorts myself). I would love to have pecan pie, a walnut whip or some peanut butter - but it would seriously harm, probably kill, me. It's something that he would like, but sadly cannot have. Maybe approaching it from this angle may be better for him to get his head around? But alcohol is terribly addictive, which nuts or other allergens generally are not, and it is hard to prise ourselves free from its insidious grip. I found the two books mentioned in my OP to be terribly helpful. Catherine Gray, as well as the excellent words quoted by @Onewildandpreciouslife, offers guidance in how to handle the reactions of others, and my fellow shipmates here have much in the way of experience and advice. I didn't find AA terribly helpful, though I was referred to an NHS service called Inclusion (Homepage - Inclusion), where I did SMART recovery (Self-Help Addiction Recovery | UK Smart Recovery), which suited me and was helpful.

From a practical viewpoint, a good start is to not have ANY alcohol in the house. If it's not there, you can't be tempted. I know that I cannot moderate - if it's there I can't just "have a couple". So try, if you can, to not have any in the house at all, even for cooking or guests. Distraction is also key. In the witching hours when the voice of temptation is strong, find something else to occupy and distract. A film, music, walk, game, anything. It will get easier in time, I absolutely promise. But it must seem like an almost impossible mountain to climb at the moment. Also - give yourself time and space to grieve your relationship with drinking. It is a loss, a death of sorts, to leave aside something that you associate with comfort and enjoyment. I've said it before in an earlier thread - it's a bit like the death of a beloved old aunt; she always seemed lively, fun and great to be around. Actually, when you step back and think about it after the funeral, she was only fun for about the first 20 minutes. Then her giggling and jokes became mocking and cruel, she hugged you a bit too tightly and it started to hurt, her food actually didn't taste very nice at all and it made you feel sick. Several hours in her company left you feeling exhausted, drained and headachy. In fact, looking back, she was really actually a bit of a sh~t. But you still miss her anyway. Give yourself time to mourn her loss - even look up websites on how to process grief if that might help. I did that, as mad as it sounds, and some of it did help me.

Please keep posting here if you want to @frankiefirstyear, if you want to. I am sorry if what I have written sounds unhelpful, facile or just cr*p, I realise that nothing probably helps much at the moment. We understand the despair and fear you must be feeling. Your partner is very lucky to have an understanding, supportive partner in you. Do take the time to look after yourself and your feelings, as well as the care and compassion you are devoting to him. ❤️ Keep going. It will be alright.

Hearty welcomes to @Marchpane123 and @Phoebewillow - I am so glad you've found us too. Congratulations on reaching your sober days thus far. That took real courage to break through the grim first days, don't underestimate the bravery it has taken to bring you here. I won't lie, there will probably be grim moments still to come but the benefits are so worth it if you can power through. The clear, sober mornings free of "The Fear", better skin, hair, weight, energy - all these and more are there for you if you can make it. Not having to comb through social media first thing in the morning to see what random, incoherent, occasionally insulting, embarrassing sh~te I'd posted whilst drunk the night before is a recurring key plus for me.
You are very welcome here; I hope you'll stay awhile.

Hello @CockerMum very glad to see you too. 4 years is goddess-level amazing.🏋️‍♀️ I certainly replaced the alcohol with sugar. Chocolate milkshake was my go-to of choice. I'm an absolute devil for Sainsburys TTD White Chocolate and Raspberry ripple milkshake. The lesser of two evils though, I think. Clare Pooley writes about it in her book. There is a lot of sugar in most alcoholic drinks; even more in the mixers, it's not surprising our bodies miss it when we give up. I hear you on the cigarettes too - I have up over 10 years ago, but the occasional lure is strong, even if never indulged. x

Congratulations @EastCoastDamsel on the 90 days! That is absolutely epic. A real achievement, and a hard-won triumph every single day. Brilliant.

Here's Sid, once again in his new party hat, to celebrate with you all and wish you courage and strength for the hours that lie ahead. If resolve, courage and dignity were Olympic sports, you'd all be top of the Paris podium. Look at his happy, laughing face. I like the idea of him as First Mate. I am going to see if I can get him a little sailors hat to wear here. He will enjoy that. 😉

I know it's not going to be easy. But to quote one of the better soundbites from the I Am Sober App:

You haven't come so far, just to only get this far.

Strength and love. Keep going - just for a little while longer. It will be alright. xx

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ShyMaryEllen · 30/08/2024 15:25

Happy Sid😍. He's one of life's natural Fancy Dress lovers, isn't he? I bet his little velvet heart sings when he hears an invitation drop on the mat. He sent me this - his latest song. It should be sung in the manner of Liam Gallagher, preferably with your hands clasped being your be-parka'd back with a sneer on your face. Or not.

Ever since I was a pup
I've always enjoyed dressing up
and partying the night away
knowing I won't have to pay
the price of having one too many
because the cost's a pretty penny
paid in shame and gloom and Fear,
but none of that is happening here.
The shipmates' heads are always clear
which means their mornings aren't as bad
as some of them they often had
when, perilously near the brink,
they would succumb to 'one more drink'.
We all know that way madness lies
but now, like me, they all despise
the thought of overdoing it,
behaving like a stupid git
and acting like a dreadful bore
so they don't do it any more.

REP22 · 30/08/2024 17:16

@ShyMaryEllen Sid is certainly one who has to be forcibly prised off The Vengabus, 🚐🕺hehe. It's a shame really - there's not a shred of malevolence in him and he really is generally a very affable, cheerful soul. It's just unfortunate that his default expression is one of 'resting b~tch face', closely-allied with "which one of you b~st~rds has p~ssed on my cornflakes?" Genetics, alas.

But that aside - @ShyMaryEllen - I am moved to literal teary-eyed speechlessness by your amazing verse. What wonderful words, so beautifully stitched together. I'm going to copy and keep those, if I may. I can well imagine it sung out by Liam (Noel, if wet), but mostly I hear it in the collective voice here, strong and determined and proud of our triumphs, be they measured in terms of hours, days, weeks or years. The words are a perfect fit, beautifully composed and are deeply affecting, in the best of ways.

You are so clever - I could never come up with anything so heartfelt, moving and delightfully expressed in a million years. Thank you for writing it and for sharing it here. I really like it. It's made me smile and touched my heart.

Sid loves it too. I read it out to him and he was mightily impressed.

I have been struggling a bit today (flying visit from goldenballs DB and muchas-triggeras from him and DM in relation to a forthcoming milestone birthday that I'd like nothing better than to ignore), and was wondering how I would get through Friday night (my dangerous time). The words of your poem will keep me going throughout this evening and well beyond. Thank you. 💖x

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ShyMaryEllen · 30/08/2024 17:50

Why thank you😀. I'm pleased Sid likes it too. The words are yours to do with as you wish.

Yeah, birthdays are tricky, and 'significant' ones are particularly so. I've had my share of those, too. But they are just numbers, and represent the years of experience that have brought us to where we are, and will help us to where we are going.

Friday nights can make us feel that we should be doing exciting things, but again, they are just another night, really. It used to be that Fridays and Saturdays had good things on the TV, but even that is no longer the case, is it? If you always find Fridays difficult, could you commit to something that happens then - I don't know, a class, a club, a Sidwalk with a friend, or whatever you enjoy? Anything to make you look forward to Fridays and not be triggered.

I hope everyone has a good weekend planned, whether that is doing exciting things, getting well-earned R&R or whatever floats your boat.

Beachfront · 30/08/2024 17:51

Hello 👋

I am back on here after a bit of a break from Mumsnet and sadly, also a break from sobriety 😬

I was on here before under a different username which I have forgotten completely!

Anyway, fresh start. I'm 11 days alcohol free today 🎉

@REP22 I remember your dog pics from the last thread - he is so handsome and lovely! What a lovely gent you have

SeasideRock · 30/08/2024 18:33

Hello all! Having been awol for the summer I’m back and STILL AF which seems miraculous to me. I’m on day 121…

My life runs around school terms so this summer has been jam packed with visiting friends and family and a trip to Sweden, and I have managed it all without drinking. I have had maybe… 2/3 tiny sips of a wine to appease my aging father (ie to taste and confirm that the expensive wine was good) but had no desire to drink a glass of it. Have been perfectly happy with my Peroni zero and Botivo. Am slightly shocked.

Still struggling a bit with fatigue but doing better on that front, and now feel as if I have the headspace to make some positive changes to address matters. I had some bloods done over the summer, which showed my liver to be fine (how???) but I’ve just tipped over into pre-diabetic. Which is a shock. Am only in my mid-40’s. Planning to do the fast 800 to see if I can shift some flag and get my blood sugar down. I’ve been reflecting that in my drinking days I would have probably dismissed that programme at first glance as the idea of 12 weeks without my crucial white wine crutch was impossible…

Glad to see everyone else is keeping on keeping on. I will try to update a bit more frequently. I found this thread so helpful in the early days.

REP22 · 30/08/2024 18:33

Thanks @ShyMaryEllen - wise words indeed. It's not the birthday number I mind. I've already agreed to a party that I don't really want (I love parties but not being the centre of one as myself) - it was a discussion of what I wanted as a gift. The two small things I suggested were ridiculed as unworthy and insignificant. My discomfort was seized upon and I was berated until I came up with something that I don't want and will not enjoy that was deemed sufficient. All the while circling back to how "selfish" and "embarrassing" I am for making such a performance of it all and being difficult. Oh, the irony. Which then brings flashbacks of childhood parties when I was dragged out of the room and spanked for "making a spectacle of myself" by either A) making a joke or something unapproved-of that made others laugh or B) having an asthma attack "you're embarrassing me by making that ridiculous noise" - or my lovely DF's funeral, where I wasn't allowed to say anything as I was "an embarrassment" - c/f M, with relative nodding sagely on, muttering "embarrassing". Honestly, I am a firm supporter of Al-Anon and the fine work with families of addicted-members that they do. But the part of their mantra that repeats "I didn't cause it [the family member's addiction]" rings somewhat hollow in my ears.

Yesterday morning, before relative climbed aboard their golden knobchariot and rode once more into the blessed distance, I tried to retract my suggestion, but to no avail. I am reconciled to my fate now, and will pretend to enjoy it - but I confess that I did cry myself to sleep and again in the car on the way to work the following morning. Poor Sidney served his overtime well. His velvety fur is terribly absorbent and it turns out that he is very good at unbarked compassion. He's a sensitive and loving soul, with a spirit and empathy that belies his difficult start in life. Perhaps that's why we are so perfect for each other.

It's no wonder I sought comfort and anaesthesia in drink. Difficult childhoods and mediocre/unloving families are a sadly common theme among our ranks. Catherine Gray remarks upon it, more particularly in her excellent follow-up book "Sunshine Warm Sober".

All shall be well. I am thankful and in a good place. It will all be terrific fun. And Sid shall make mighty leavings on my M's posh carpet whilst I am having it. He's good like that. 💩😈

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