Fuck. Russian bomb has hit Poland.

It is my understanding that the US has stationed many monitoring trackers to observe what is happening in UKraine:

www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-10-19/maplab-monitoring-the-invasion-of-ukraine-from-outer-space

www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/10/27/russia-says-us-satellites-assisting-ukraine-are-legitimate-targets-a79208

www.cigionline.org/articles/commercial-satellites-deployed-in-ukraines-defence/

Which is why we banned Huawei here in the West!

@Venetiaparties

It is my understanding that the US has stationed many monitoring trackers to observe what is happening in UKraine:

That really doesn't automatically equate to the US be able to see and track in detail the full flight of every single SAM launched in the region.

There is real time coverage across most of Ukraine, that is my understanding.

There are many reasons for this, obviously assisting Ukraine, but clearly other reasons as well. So it really is not beyond the realms of imagination to conclude that this missile attack might well be recorded and can be checked, therefore the conclusion of how a random Russian missile landed in a Nato country could be well known in security circles.

Given the close relationship between Ukraine and Poland one would imagine Ukraine immediately taking responsibility for the loss of life if was indeed their fault. We haven't see any such statement so far.

Yes!! Exactly. Because the close up monitoring in fine detail from this technology is awesome, but also a security breach of any nation.

The OP never came back I see. Stirred up shit to scare people and then left.

Here is an example of an image, and I believe they can also create even closer imagery of actual roads and streets and people moving around. In this case it was Mariupol

www.space.com/russia-ukraine-invasion-satellite-photos

So the idea that a huge Russian missile heading straight for Nato would not be seen, is simply not true. There is a large contingent of American troops not so far away - do you suppose they have no cover??

✌Then I would be well and truly scared. Occam's razor and now the Polish President says it was an accident that a missile hit a tractor in the middle of nowhere after Russia fired a volley of missiles into Ukraine against Ukrainian air defences that use S300 missiles as part of their armoury.

I thought you might like to read Russia's praise:

*Kremlin praises American 'restraint' over missile
The Kremlin on Wednesday hailed the United States' "restraint" over the missile that fell in Poland the previous day, saying Russia had "nothing to do" with the incident that sparked a flare-up of tension.

"In this case, we should note the restrained and more professional reaction of the American side," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters, denouncing the "hysteria" of "senior officials of several countries who made statements without having a clear idea of what caused" the explosion in Poland*

wtf

There's I'm sure real time coverage of many things but whether there's any interest in SAM launches from the Ukraine side , who knows....there will be much more interest/effort going into monitoring launches of ballistic missiles (e.g. Ikander) from Russian territory.

One thing I found worrying here last last night was the idea being promulgated last that missiles can't be inaccurate, don't break, don't miss.(blame the weapon makers PR for that.) there's a bit of misunderstanding at times by some of what technology can do on the battle field and I suspect the idea that some agency has total overview of the conflict with absolutely everything available on playback might be a bit of the same...CSI, NCSI etc this is not....

It might be nice if something was available that could be released , but even if it exists and was released it would be redacted to hell so wouldn't silence the doubters.

This is Ukraine's position, they are absolutely NOT taking responsibility:

"Ukraine’s foreign minister has denied that one of their missiles was involved in the explosion, which President Volodymyr Zelensky has called an “escalation” by Russia. Russia denied involvement and said that it did not aim any missiles at the border with Poland on Tuesday.

Mr. Duda also emphasized that the events in Poland came amid a “massive, unprecedented” Russian attack on Ukraine.

“Ukraine defended itself — which is obvious and understandable — also by firing missiles whose task was to knock down Russian missiles,” he said. “Therefore, we were dealing with a very serious clash caused by the Russian side, as well as the entire conflict. Yesterday’s clash is certainly borne by the Russian side,” Duda said"

It does not sound like anyone from Nato has bothered to tell Ukraine they need to take the flak for this one.....

Hmmm. We all know what that's intended to do!

Me too, actually. Who would want to be making the hard decisions now. It must have looked like such an effortless role last year - plenty of perks, great salary and a job for the last sixty years that required no input or energy, how times have changed.

Lol @Venetiaparties do you really think NATO literally have no other business until putin starts being a naughty boy? Your posts speak volumes on your lack of insight into conflict

Of course missiles can and do malfunction. I don’t doubt that. I’m not even saying it was deliberate. I just believe that even if it was an accident from Russia it’s now being spun as Ukrainian to de-escalate the situation. It’s the language they are using when they talk about it. It isn’t decisive. It’s very much wishy washy.

Why is that concerning?

On the upside at least Russia seem utterly delighted with the discovery that one of their bombs landing in a Nato country has in fact got nothing to do with them.

One might even consider this wonderful development of collaboration and agreement that has broken out between Nato and Russia as they release more or less coordinated chiming, cheery announcements to confirm there is nothing to worry about at all, it was most 'probably' not Russia after all.

Ah, I feel so much better now don't you?

Not liking Russias praise for the US either. Sounds very condescending in my head but my head is banging so I’m going to have a nap.

It was tongue in cheek, but never mind.

Yes, and as a fellow book-lover, the language used is telling.

Because they could have done it anyway? But they used this forum as justification for it?

Even if you believed the story, you would have to wonder why Russia appear just so gushing. It reeks of condescension and something more sinister, contempt?

Venetiaparties, bit of a stretch there, to take Russia's statement as an indication of NATO's 'collaboration'!