Fuck. Russian bomb has hit Poland.

No one official in Poland has confirmed it is a Russian missile - neither have the experts at the scene.

What has been said is that it could be either Russia or Ukraine given both countries are firing the same type of missiles. This has come from the people on the ground.

Poland has been clear they want to find out further facts prior to any potential action - they are keeping their heads level and cool.

Polish President literally said there is no conclusive evidence to who launched the missile or the series of events proceeding it landing.

Unsure what some of you are actually reading to come up with the “Poland has said it is Russia” comments…

What has been said is that it could be either Russia or Ukraine given both countries are firing the same type of missiles.

For completeness though if it's a S-300 (Russian origin, which is used by both sides and is the missile being mentioned by some sources ) it hasn't been fired from Russia.

You might be surprised 😉

The words

PROPORTIONAL RESPONSE

Need neon lights on this thread.

Whatever you think the truth is the responsible way for the US to behave is to have a proportionate response to this.

That was NEVER going to be launching ruddy nukes or escalating the situation in a way that might make that more likely.

What worries me is this seems to be an alien concept to so many posters and MN actually fed that.

More reason less ridiculousness people.

This aged well ! People need to calm down we are not on the brink of ww3 (yet).

Joe Biden has said the missile that landed in Poland, killing two people, was unlikely to have been fired from Russia due to its trajectory.
The US president was speaking at the G20 meeting in Bali, Indonesia, after convening an emergency meeting of western leaders to discuss the explosion on Nato territory that has the potential to take the war in Ukraine into a new even more dangerous dimension.
Asked if the missile was fired from Russia, Biden said: “There is preliminary information that contests that. I don’t want to say that until we completely investigate. But it is unlikely in the minds [sic] of its trajectory that it was fired from Russia.” He added: “But we will see, we will see.”

No one official in Poland has confirmed it is a Russian missile - neither have the experts at the scene

it was confirmed eight hours ago that the missile was made in Russia, so I am not sure what you are reading zuno

"It is not known who fired the missile, or precisely where it was fired from, though the Polish Foreign Ministry has described it as “Russian-made.”

edition.cnn.com/2022/11/15/europe/poland-missile-rocket-nato-przewodow-ukraine-intl/index.html

That is not the question now Zuno everyone accepts it is a Russian missile.

What is now being checked is the tracking systems to see where the bomb came from. I doubt that information is going to be readily shared.

Let's see what happens in the next 24h.

Do I think Nato want to get involved? Of course not
Is there plenty of room for error here? Absolutely

I don't believe in coincidence. Timing is everything.

How’s the “Russia bombs Poland” headline looking this morning?

Do please stop bloody preaching redtooth it is very annoying!

People can post what they want without you lecturing all and sundry like a school marm.
It is a forum - a chatting mechanism. No one here can launch WW3. Just saying.

Ukraine are using Russian-made missiles (and other ammunitions).

So the missile may actually have been Ukrainian.

This is what is being investigated. There is absolutely no evidence yet this missile was Russian at the time it was deployed, fired by Russia, or fired from Russia.

Yeah I don’t trust Zelenskiy at all. He is desperate to drag us all into a world war. Easily could be a false flag attack.

When pictures first emerged on the internet, people on Reddit etc researched and suggested wreckage looks like a Ukrainian missile whilst Zelenskiy went on tv straight away saying it was Russia.

Biden now saying it wasn’t fired from Russia. We know it’s Russian-made but that means nothing as Ukrainian military is full of russian made weapons from the Soviet days

False flag attack maybe? Or at least willingly lying to us to blame Russia instantly.

Awful man. We should stop wasting Billions we don’t have helping him.

And do you seriously expect anyone to believe Ukraine did this to their closest and most cherished ally zuno?

Really? Do you expect anyone, anywhere to even consider that option, because it is a grotesque twisting of the truth that would suit the snakes in Russia very well indeed.

Yes it may well have been an accident, and Ukraine may have deflected a missile from their territory, but I find that so hard to believe - as to be entirely implausible given the very limited means Ukraine has to protect their country.

Even the capital Kyiv was hit by so many missiles yesterday and other large cities, and much of the country is now without power. If they had the means to defend their cities from flying bombs and missiles I rather imagine many more people would be alive today, and the electricity and other essential infrastructure would not be burning in rubble right now.

I don't buy any of it.

Of course this is likely to be buried and Nato will hope that it doesn't happen again, but 'hoping' doesn't feel to me very comfortable. We have a crazed despot becoming ever more desperate and irrational - it does not make for comfortable reading does it. But that is where we are.

If they have any sense at all, Nato will be taking this very seriously and immediate preparations should be made. We can not afford complacency.

Ah so we are wasting billions by helping Ukraine, two guesses where you are posting from lovely!

Just a caution that a lot of the range figures being quoted upthread for the S-300 seem to be roughly the sort of figures you see quoted for it being used in the surface to air mode.

For reasons various that value will bear pretty much zero to nil relevance to it range when being fired against ground targets. Amongst many other things that's due to the dynamics of the proposed engagement, or in the case of surface to surface engagements the complete lack of any dynamics.

The surface to surface ranges will be much much less than most if not all of the figures you see for "range" in open sources such as wiki.

You don’t have to buy anything…

There are numerous reasons why a Ukrainian fired missile may have landed in Poland - it doesn’t mean it was deliberate. And those some incidents may apply to Russia too.

You clearly want a war - you clearly want to lay blame before any facts are known - and you clearly have never been in a situation where missiles have been fired or landed .

Suggesting it’s “likely to be buried” is ridiculous. It’s all over the news and dominated today at G20

Sounds to me like a fuck up and I suspect NATO will treat it as such.

Maybe it was, I know, aliens firing Russian missiles at a Nato country After all doesn't everyone have access to Russian missiles in the universe? It could literally be anyone bombing polish farms on the most important day of the G20 meeting - and the Russian FM is forced to scurry off early with a sudden heart condition. Of course.

Why didn't I think of that.....

Ridiculous

Absolutely ridiculous

The words
PROPORTIONAL RESPONSE

Need neon lights on this thread

Whatever you think the truth is the responsible way for the US to behave is to have a proportionate response to this
That was NEVER going to be launching ruddy nukes or escalating the situation in a way that might make that more likely
What worries me is this seems to be an alien concept to so many posters and MN actually fed that

More reason less ridiculousness people

Its a Forum, the internet.... not a NATO military emergency meeting on a response.... people can say what they like... you know Free Speech?

Whoever fired this missile etc, NATO needs to bolster troops and anti missile deployments in Poland and give a whole lot more help to Ukraine in this regard, which is again too late.

Why no movement on fighter jets?
this war will still be going in in 12months time, whatever delays there are in training etc we need to start matching Russian escalation... any other inaction just leads to Putin going further.... as the attacks on Ukraine infrastructure has shown.

Ukraine are not part of NATO.

Absolutely no one wants an escalation of the war.

But it has to be said, we are already at war with Russia.

It might be a proxy war, but it is a war all the same, so make no mistake it is already happening. The idea that this is just confined to one small country in the corner of Europe, given the Russian master plan was to move on to Moldova and other Euro countries after Ukraine seems to have entirely escaped you.

The worst thing that can happen now would be for Nato to be considered weak and reluctant to protect Nato territory. Do I think we will be going into an all out war? No, I don't.
I also don't believe in convenient accidents.
Maybe Putin will leave it there, maybe he won't. Time will tell.
Russia is fucked either way.

Western propaganda?

Little turd?

No comment on the savage Russians who are raping, murdering and kidnapping with impunity? Who, if they fucked off out of Ukraine, could stop this at any time?

Jesus

Wow @Venetiaparties you really want World War III won’t you? Clearly you won’t accept any kind of reasoning that doesn’t align with your views at all.

We are not “at war with Russia”.

MNHQ really need to get rid of some of the posts on this thread. There’s a huge difference between freedom of speech and spreading scare mongering information with no evidence on a thread where people are frightened.

@RedToothBrush I actually agree with you that sense on these threads is needed (and frankly some Mumsnet moderation) - not because any of us can actually impact the response to this but because its seriously damaging many people's mental health. When you're anxious already and then see nonsense like what's posted on this thread its actually quite dangerous and may lead to real life ramifications for posters. Free speech and fake news are not one and the same.