How did Jonathan Ross come back from the Russell Brand/Andrew Sachs thing?

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Quite apart from Russell Brand hiding in plain sight, how did Jonathan Ross ever work again?

Im not sure what difference it makes if she was smart or not... im sure it wasnt your intention, but it comes across that you are implying that if a 16 year old is smart then they arent going to be as affected by being groomed by an adult man as a 16 year old who isnt as smart.
Staying together just tells us that they've decided to stay together... just because someone stays married, doesnt make him any less of a creep?
If a man beats his wife black and blue her whole life but they stay married and appear happy outside of it, doesnt mean he's not an abuser...

Thanks, hadnt actually got round to googling it yet!

I’m glad you have posted this. My feelings exactly. From what I saw the relationship was a genuine one, irrespective of her age, and their long marriage would appear to support this.

No

Im a bit surprised here... i thought it was well known that 'she was very mature for her age' is the main defence groomers use. Let's agree to disagree on this topic.

How do you know Jane Goldman was a virgin when she met Jonathan Ross? You are reaching a bit now!

You're missing the point - she was the one describing herself as more mature than JR - or was she grooming herself?

I was continuing the discussion, also on this same thread, about changing times.

I came here to say just that.

Survivors of grooming have often spoken out on how they were, or perceived themselves to be, very mature for their age. Women who got together as teenagers with much older partners, that they are still with, often describe themselves as mature for their age. I have seen survivors speculate that they were chosen because of their maturity, as it is then used by the older party as a defence for the fact they pursued a teenager. It doesnt make the potential harm any less, if someone is mature for their age. It doesnt make it any less wrong that a grown man pursued a teenage girl. But I think we are coming from two very different perspectives and am happy to agree to disagree.

The incident with RB totally changed my mind about JR, I thought he was a nasty, bullying misogynist. His humble apologies to Sachs was all about saving his career and nothing else.

He was very publicly best friends with RB and obvs loved being associated with a younger, “edgy” comedian. Noel Gallagher was also close with him. Their silence is deafening.

I could be totally wrong but I always thought it was Robbie Williams who made that vile comment about Trinny putting a bag over her head?

Leigh Francis should be next, the way he treated females under the guise of Keith Lemon was gross, he sexually harassed and humiliated them on camera next to grinning, sniggering male guests.

Hes going to be on I’m a Celebrity this year, obviously looking to relaunch his career - bad timing, mate.

No, she'd been groomed to believe it. Or at least that's the way groomers usually work.

I have some experience working with both RB and JR for decades. RB has always been a sleaze but JR doesn’t deserve to be tainted with the predatory/rapist brush at all. There are many other celebrities that do, however. It was always part of the culture. Those who complained faced disciplinary action and would find their work offers dried up.

Either grooming is evil or grooming is capable of producing three children from a long standing marriage in a business which usually breaks relationships down and five adults who adore each other and won't say a word against each other, in which case exactly how evil can that be?

Which is it?

Or is it just possible that there can be healthy love matches between a 16 year old and a 26 year old?

I never thought Little Britain was OK. At the time it made be cringe and wonder what people who enjoyed it were thinking.

I've never got one clip of it my mind. It was where Matt Lucas was in a wheelchair pretending not to be able to walk while abusing his carer Walliams. I remember thinking "who in their right minds could find this subject matter funny?" and avoided the show completely.

The relationship which still horrifies me is Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith. They met when she was 13. It’s such a sad story. Didn’t seem to cause him that much trouble.

What other celebrities would you say?

But Ross is one of the few people who could have spoken out.

Agree completely. Both are very unpleasant people and always have been. Was never sure why they are/were so popular and wondered if I was missing something?

cloudtreecarpet Oh yes. I remember boys pinging our bra straps and hating it.1 Boy used to get clean sanitary towels and stick them on his head! I liked working in an office and getting paid and working with sensible people !

I haven’t mentioned Billy Piper and was not referring to her.

Perhaps not the rapist brush but his behaviour towards Andrew Sachs was deplorable - remember he shouted down the phone RB has f***d your granddaughter amongst other things that were said.
This is just one thing we’re aware of - he is really awful, perhaps he was just nice in front of you - doesn’t make him an angel.
edited - as rapist became spell checked to racist!!

Agree @queenceleste
Seems bizarre that there’s been no investigation?
She was 13 when they first had a relationship, he was 47. He then married her when she was 18 and he was 52. Marriage didn’t last of course.
All very grim.

It was kept secret until she had reached the age of consent. I assume that the police or CPS concluded that it wasn’t in the public interest to pursue the case. I suspect they would if it was current!