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Estranged daughter 29 is pregnant

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karesalot · Today 14:17

Its a long story which I will keep brief. I'm a 54 year old female.
I divorced my now ex-husband in 2009, We had 3 children together. At the time their ages were 15 (Boy) 12 (Girl) and 9 (Girl).
I have since been happily remarried since 2012.
For the last 9 years I have been estranged from my eldest daughter who is now 29. She refuses any contact with me. When I last saw her she was 20 and our meeting was very strained. She afterwards denied me any contact- this was based on the fact that a) she doesnt like my new husband and b) the fact that her younger sister, now 26, has (through her own choice) had no contact with her father since she was 9.

My eldest daughter now lives and works abroad and has done so for 9 years, and has no intention of returning to the UK / living back here, other than returning for short visits to visit her Father.
She also has had a very strained relationship with her younger sister and they barely have spoken over the last 5 years or so. But she has just messaged my youngest daughter (who lives with me) telling her she is pregnant.
She is apparently very happy which is good to hear but I am concerned about her and just want to be there for her during her pregnancy. But I made her a promise 9 years ago to not make contact and to respect her boundaries as she said that was important. Not only have I done this but I also have no way of contacting her as she has changed her number, blocked me from all social media and I dont have her address or email. So I have not made any contact with her for 9 years now. On discussing with my younger daughter she said that the older one would not have let her know about the pregnancy without her accepting that I am going to find out from her. So I am in two minds whether to contact her and send her a message using the phone number for her which my youngest daughter now has. I want to let her know I am thinking of her and wish her all the best for her pregnancy with no strings attached and no expectations - but if I contact her I feel I am breaking the boundary which I promised and have stuck to all this time. so I really dont know what to do.
I have a very fractured and extremely poor relationship with her Dad (whom she is still very close to) and short of asking him what to do or what she would want - which to be honest I dont want to do as would rather keep him out of it - then I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. I'd really appreciate peoples thoughts ideas etc.

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HeyUpDuckie · Today 17:18

Leave her alone.

You had your chance to fix things, you didn't take it.

Vivi0 · Today 17:22

JustAnotherWhinger · Today 17:00

Her daughter could easily lose her relationship with her sister though. Which isn’t something that should be simply ignored because it suits

Perhaps the younger daughter doesn’t care.

Their relationship is strained because the elder daughter isn’t happy that the younger daughter doesn’t want a relationship with their abusive father, and rather than accept the younger daughter’s position (like they have all had to accept the elder daughter’s position) she has chosen to have a strained relationship with her because of it.

The OP has had to abide by the elder daughter’s wishes for the past 9 years, but I see no reason why the younger daughter needs to do so. She might think her older sister is a complete arsehole.

It’s not only parents who can be difficult, controlling people with unpleasant personalities.

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · Today 17:25

HeyUpDuckie · Today 17:18

Leave her alone.

You had your chance to fix things, you didn't take it.

When did OP have her chance to fix things?

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Lovingmynewlifestyle · Today 17:26

I would do this the old-fashioned way, write a letter (or two) and ask those who have contact to send it on. I would also (if I could afford it) offer a small gift of money / item. Not so much that they think you are trying to buy them but enough to know that you care.

I am forever hopeful that our children will find their way back to an estranged parent / family. I would never ask for an explanation, just to be glad to see them again.

Rajjam · Today 17:26

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Bountyhunter888 · Today 17:27

How can you not be upset or excited, 20 is still a baby and youve made no effort to contact her and yes you could have done via friends and family...maybe you are not maternal, very strange however yes i do think she wants you to know, so balls in your court...

Bountyhunter888 · Today 17:28

MJEBinAthens · Today 14:23

You could ask your younger daughter to pass on a message saying that you are happy for her and will be there if she needs you as you would like her to get in touch. Then it is up to her to decide.
As mum of four, I can’t really get my head around why you have not been in touch with her for so long… I just would never have left it so long.

Exactly you just wouldnt leave it you would move hell and high water 20 is a baby

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · Today 17:29

Restlessdreams1994 · Today 17:08

She risks destroying any chance of reconciliation by not respecting the boundaries her older daughter has put in place, and/or by using the younger daughter as an intermediary.

Her daughter will contact her if and when she wants to. OP has obviously made it clear that she would like to reconcile, she doesn’t need to put pressure on again at a time when her daughter is pregnant and potentially hormonal and vulnerable.

I haven’t read anywhere that the ip
has been permitted to make it clear she wants to be reconciled. She risks any chance of reconciliation with her daughter by not letting said daughter know that she wants to be reconciled. Why are these things always so black and white and one sided in the eyes of mumsnetters?

Bountyhunter888 · Today 17:30

karesalot · Today 14:25

As I said I have not had any contact details for her for 9 years. Otherwise I would not have left it that long at all.

BS you could have contacted her via friends or family hired a private detective most women would do anything

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · Today 17:32

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Thats a circular argument if ever I heard one.

Bountyhunter888 · Today 17:33

MrsTerryPratchett · Today 14:30

This.

Your personal story about why she decided to have no contact mentions nothing that is your responsibility at all. I suspect this is an issue. And will remain one.

Exactly its all someone else fault, the problem with that is its lonely in old age when everyone has had enough of that friend or partners behaviour

Rajjam · Today 17:33

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Hugasaurusrex · Today 17:35

I’m no contact with my parents and I would not welcome any communication from them. I genuinely wish them well and hope they’re very happy but I don’t want them back in my life. They are way too emotionally damaging for me. My brother recently tried to make contact with my husband but that is not something I want either and while my husband was initially polite he stopped replying because it has all been explained and he does not want to give false hope.

In your situation, I might ask via my younger daughter if your older daughter wants any contact however in your shoes, I would also be very mindful of your own emotions around this because I can imagine a rejection would be painful.

SpecialShark · Today 17:37

Absobeautely · Today 14:33

Do not pass on any message. I'd be horrified if my estranged mother inflicted one on me, it would trigger anxiety and panic attacks.
She clearly does not want you to 'be there' for her.
Choosing to remove a parent from our lives is a huge thing, goes against our every instinct and happens after many incidents. Leave her alone and tell your other daughter to stop blabbing.

For other estranged daughters, this article is fantastic:
https://issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons/

What a truly awful article.

ChocolateCinderToffee · Today 17:37

She's made it clear what she wants. Your wanting to contact her is all about YOUR reasons. Leave her alone!

I don't think you should drag her sister into this either.

Bountyhunter888 · Today 17:42

karesalot · Today 15:32

I accept the general message that I shouldnt contact her and I wont. I have also taken accountability for my actions and know I made mistakes.
But there's a lot more I didnt put down and that is that my ex-husband was the abuser. That's why I left him and took my 3 children away from him. He hurt them all and the other 2 admitted that but she always denied it even though they saw him do it.
My new husband is kind and caring and far from abusive - his only failure was telling my daughter that he was cross with her for leaving home to move in with her Dad on the day of my Mum's funeral (after she had lived with us for 4 years).
I had been separated from first husband for 2 years before we divorced which took 2 years as it was due to physical abuse. I got full custody of my 3 children. Yes I met my new husband quite quickly after and moved in with him with my children, but both my girls came to our wedding. She visited me and him 9 years ago and it went well. It was only subsequent to that visit that she decided to have no contact with me.

I've been diagnosed as Autistic recently and have realised that this and my lack of communication traits have failed me and my children which I am very regretful of, and I am striving now to make amends and be accountable for the mistakes I made.

But you are still blaming everybody else including your autism but you want to make amends but wont contact her,.autistic or not id be swinging from the roof tops if i knew i had a grand child....try seeing it from her point of view she knows that you know shes pregnant but you are saying you wont contact her.....i would be devasted if i was pregnant and my mother knew and didnt contact me.....

JulietteRoche · Today 17:42

SpecialShark · Today 17:37

What a truly awful article.

Hit a nerve, did it?

Tortephant · Today 17:44

LittlePetitePsychopath · Today 14:31

This is the only route you've got, really.

Agree

Bountyhunter888 · Today 17:44

Makeyourownmister · Today 16:19

As a mother of two DDs in their twenties, I am surprised by how many people are advising op to leave well alone.

FWIW I hold exactly the opposite view.

Personally, unless you were abusive or an addict or cruel in some way to your offspring, I don’t think that as a mother, you should ever give up, especially in this case when it doesn’t sound as if op has done anything obviously wrong.

Obviously there is a huge back story which you have left out op but on the face of it this sounds like it could be a case of classic parental alienation perpetrated by your ex if you ask me! Your dd has only heard his side.

There is a massive difference in age, understanding, and maturity between twenty and twenty-nine years.

And this is an opportunity to write one letter or message to your eldest dd to congratulate her on her pregnancy, to send her your sincere love and best wishes for the future, to apologise sincerely for letting her down and not being there for her in the way she needed you to be, to say that you don’t wish to intrude in her life if she still feels the same way, but you would welcome an opportunity to apologise and talk to her face to face if she felt that might be possible?

And you can say all this, while making it very clear that you don’t want to use her younger sister as a go-between except this once, and from this point on you won’t intrude upon their relationship.

Say that if she doesn’t want further contact, although you will obviously be sad, you will understand and leave her alone, but make sure she understands that you are always available for her or the baby should she ever need you, and your only wish for her is her happiness with her family.

Leave the ball in her court op. One letter in a decade is hardly stepping on her toes. And most DDs need their mums when they have a baby.

For all of the daughters posting here saying they would be upset to hear from their estranged parent, after nine years, I am sure there are at least some who would say they would be equally upset if they didn’t hear anything from that during that amount of time.

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I totally agree with you

Tortephant · Today 17:45

catdistributionsystem · Today 14:23

Leave her alone. If she wants you to ‘be there for her’, she’ll ask for you.

You chose a man over your child, and this is the price you pay.

Don’t be ridiculous.

If you, and eldest daughter, think that then you are childish, selfish and entitled.

SpecialShark · Today 17:45

JulietteRoche · Today 17:42

Hit a nerve, did it?

Not at all. Thankfully I'm not estranged from my mother or my kids. I just think it's badly written and not objective.

worldshottestmom · Today 17:46

karesalot · Today 15:32

I accept the general message that I shouldnt contact her and I wont. I have also taken accountability for my actions and know I made mistakes.
But there's a lot more I didnt put down and that is that my ex-husband was the abuser. That's why I left him and took my 3 children away from him. He hurt them all and the other 2 admitted that but she always denied it even though they saw him do it.
My new husband is kind and caring and far from abusive - his only failure was telling my daughter that he was cross with her for leaving home to move in with her Dad on the day of my Mum's funeral (after she had lived with us for 4 years).
I had been separated from first husband for 2 years before we divorced which took 2 years as it was due to physical abuse. I got full custody of my 3 children. Yes I met my new husband quite quickly after and moved in with him with my children, but both my girls came to our wedding. She visited me and him 9 years ago and it went well. It was only subsequent to that visit that she decided to have no contact with me.

I've been diagnosed as Autistic recently and have realised that this and my lack of communication traits have failed me and my children which I am very regretful of, and I am striving now to make amends and be accountable for the mistakes I made.

So sorry for all that you have been through OP, it sounded horrible for both you and your children. Glad you did the right thing and left him. Such abuse like this can do crazy things to someone and imagine your daughter is struggling with that. Very upsetting for all parties involved and I hope you can build a positive relationship with her in the future.

I would do as PP suggested; ask your DD who lives with you to ask elder DD if she can tell you, if she says yes then pass on your message and if not then leave it. I suspect she may be okay with it, since she would not have told her sister without otherwise knowing you would find out. As we know, having a baby changes us massively and I suspect she may potentially reach out for support, but then again she may not. Just be there in case. My major concern would be to ensure she doesn't let your disgrace of an XH anywhere near the baby...

AlexandraCarrington · Today 17:54

20 is still a baby

Even for Mumsnet, that's some extreme infantilisation.

Babies wear nappies. They haven't got a full set of teeth. They're just getting used to solid food. They don't walk or talk. How is it appropriate to describe an adult woman as a baby?

Rajjam · Today 17:54

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SometimesthingsMatter · Today 17:58

PashaMinaMio · Today 14:59

Stay out of it.
She’s set her boundaries. You are (sadly) no longer part of her life.
Leave her to have her pregnancy in peace.

In the long term, motherhood might soften her but for now, no flying monkeys.

I actually think Motherhood can do the opposite for most people. It can make you think how on earth could your parent treat you so badly. The protective instinct means you do not want that toxicity anywhere near your child, and want to safeguard them at any cost.