Keiran Hayler has been found NOT GUILTY

[Thefrocklady]

I think Katie Price might be next in the docks.
She seems hell bent on ruining her exes lives.

There used to be posters on here insisting she was a “good mother”
which I always found astounding. She’s absolutely terrible!!

Bloody hell. Just seen it. Horrendous hanging off your child like that, she'll do anything for publicity.

Her daughter is naturally very pretty and her dress was lovely. Really hope she doesnt go down the same route as KP with all the plastic surgery and ruin her looks.

No, because being found ‘Not Guilty’ does not mean that you are innocent. It means that a group of people did not feel the evidence provided reassured them beyond all reasonable doubt that you were guilty. There’s every chance you committed the offence, they just couldn’t be absolutely 100% certain of it.

A not guilty verdict does not mean the entire offence and all associated evidence was fabricated, or that the crime never happened, or that the victim was never really a victim.

When the offence is a sexual offence, it’s usually one persons word against the other. It’s why charges and convictions are so incredibly low, because the evidence isn’t strong enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt exactly what happened. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen in the way the victim described.

As an autistic person, thank you. I and many other people I know who are autistic actually suffer from hyper-empathy and so end up in abusive relationships ourselves, often over staying because of concern for the oother person, ie, why are they like this? Did someone hurt them? Only hurt people hurt people so I need to treat them well, etc.

I think people who conflate autism and BPD have likely never experienced being on the receiving end of some of the more destructive behaviours associated with BPD.

The two things are not mutually exclusive. So-called 'unhinged' behaviour is often a symptom of significant abuse. The unhinged, crazy ex narrative is victim blaming hiding in plain sight. Unfortunately, it's also true that neurodivergent women are particularly attractive to narcissists. Hyper empathy feeds their ego, then when it inevitably sours, the crazy ex narrative is readily available and sticks do much more easily to a neurodivergent woman. Thereafter, everything she tries to do to reverse this, or defend herself, simply reinforces the narrative. I have no idea if this applies to KP or any of the numerous women in this appalling case. It seems KH has a great deal to answer for, most of which will never be heard in a court.

Well we are having a back and forth which is why I keep making the point. The prosecution generally have one shot to get a conviction and can't afford to get it so wrong. So I think the blame lies more with them than her.

We will have to agree to disagree.

Yeah none of it makes sense. If all she saying in court was trying to make him look guilty, why would the prosecution be saying to ignore it. If she knew anything at the time then why didnt she go to the police herself to try and safeguard her own daughter at the very least.

As for her wanting to frame him for something he hasnt done and setting all this up, would she really (as a mother) want her children's father to be falsely sent down for child rape. She would know that would follow the children around for the rest of their lives. Would she really go that far for revenge at the expense of her children?

Who knows, she isn't mentally well judging by a lot of her behaviour. 1 thing is clear though, her involvement in this trial has gone in Kieran's favour.

I hope he is innocent and the accuser hasnt been striped of justice because a celebrity made it look a farce

Two of her children are currently in foster care, the other two were court ordered to live with their father, and the remaining one is exploited by her. I’m not sure she cares much about doing things ‘at the expense of her children.’

The victims allegations were full of holes too.
If Katie’s evidence alone messed up the trial they would have disregarded the evidence from her.
I know time will make you forget. She allegedly told her mother after the rape. Her mother said nothing, didn’t even tell Katie, as Katie continued the relationship for two years after. Was the mother a friend? A colleague? Now what kind of mother would not tell the wife even if you didn’t want police involvement.
I think this is the first rape trial that I have not been 💯 with the victim. It seemed like BS.

For a few previous posters, what you need to understand is narc parents do not love their children. They see them as extentions of themselves and puppets in their own self styled theatre. They do not care what happens to the kids just how they look to others. Reverse parenting is one huge one with them. It really is a huge eye opener when you start looking into and studying narcissism.

Exactly - everything is all about them.

Absolutely, I was still reeling from the experience of being in a relationship with someone with BDP for years after it ended.They literally suck the life blood from you

Absolutely. In my experience, one of the most exhausting aspects of dealing with someone with a personality disorder is constantly trying to rationalise their behaviour. You spend so much time sympathising, questioning yourself and wondering whether you’ve done something wrong or could somehow help them. Eventually, you realise that no amount of empathy or understanding on your part can make another person’s behaviour reasonable or change the way they treat you. It’s incredibly draining, particularly when you’ve spent years trying to make sense of it.

If so, then presumably this additional evidence was presented, and no matter how badly Katie Price performed on the witness stand, the objective evidence would have stood up on its own merits? However if the whole case hinged on KP's evidence, then its believable that it would have collapsed if she was not credible on the stand.

Theres very rarely any concrete evidence in rape cases. That's why the conviction rate is so low.

We obviously have no idea whether he is guilty or not, but the jury won't have had much to go on and as we know juries are untrained humans. It's never an exact science even in clear cut cases.

I very much doubt they are with her,just going by the sheer amount of times she's flying off everywhere and the amount of surgery she has. She can't parent properly for that alone.

It is very sad. I would imagine that it leaves life long emotional wounds.

the objective evidence would have stood up on its own merits The victims evidence was not up to the standard either. I think they mentioned up to 30 discrepancies in the evidence.

How on earth did it get to court then?

Following the verdicts, a Sussex Police spokeswoman said: "Following the not guilty verdicts, we will now take some time to consult the victim and witnesses in the case and our partners to determine the next steps."
I wonder if they are considering making an arrest.

Bet they don't. Or if they do, they'll let her off. She's been arrested multiple times over the years (SUCH a good mum!) and been in court more times than I've had hot dinners and they've never made anything stick so far. Even when she was found guilty of revenge porn against Alex Reid, she has never actually paid the £250k damages and I'm pretty sure she never paid Peter Andre what she was ordered to, either.

Yes, correct. These cases are never black & white. It’s why a lot of scenarios never go to court. Not to mention the media, commentary outside of the legal side. It’s horrendous.

She has a history of using vendettas to destroy anyone who is unlucky enough to fall into her bed.
I remember watching one of her mucky mansion episodes. The grounds were covered in dog and horse too, she had piles and piles of new stuff dumped into a garage, she was always a selfish person.
She is good at putting on a public persona in interviews, playing the doting mother with Harvey her actions tell a different story.

Not all men accused of rape and abuse have done it. It would be awful if a man genuinely hasn’t done it and gets a conviction or goes to prison . That’s his life ruined . As it is mud sticks and now this poor guy will never shake off this accusation.