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Crisis What Crisis? The One You Start To Wish You'd Stockpiled Like Your Crazy Friend? Continuation thread (3)

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RedToothBrush · 22/10/2026 10:05

Previous threads
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5576816-aibu-to-think-my-friend-is-overdoing-emergency-stockpiling?page=1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5585259-crisis-what-crisis-is-my-friend-over-doing-the-stockpiling-and-am-i-too-continuation-thread-2?page=1

Continuation of the AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling thread for discussion about the government advice to stockpile for an imminent emergency and what the heck that emergency might actually be.

Spoiler: it's more of a perfect storm of lots of factors coming together to potentially form one great clusterfuck from economic woes, global energy shortages (mainly diesel), potential food shortages, war and madmen to crazy weather patterns rather than a clear identifiable singular thread.
This is a practical thread and a bit of a handhold thread to make sense of events and how they may affect you. This is not an end of the world thread.

Remember an emergency can range from a temporary unexpected event to a much longer crisis but the underlying principles generally stay the same.

This is the official government information and advice, if you want further details on what the actual recommendations are:
https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies/

ROUGH STATUS REPORT (as of 9am 22nd Oct - please note this isn't fully comprehensive, and is moving FAST)
Civil Unrest reported in:
France, Italy, Greece, Belgium, Albania, Indonesia - multi reasons, but largely due to economic pressures and the cost of living
Spain has had problems but these have temporarily stopped, probably due to significant weather related issues due to the Dana effect
More protests planned for this coming weekend
High Alert in the Middle East:
Netanyahu now committed to regime change in Iran, as he believes they are developing a nuke.
The US has pulled all Embassy Staff from Saudi Arabia and is hoping no one notices that they've ordered personal and families across the Gulf home and then seem to have lied that they have.
The Emir of Qatar has stated at their equivalent of the annual King's Speech at the Opening of Parliament that war was coming and to prepare for the worst scenarios. US pulling planes out of Qatar.
The Egyptian PM has warned the country of severe crisis ahead - given the nature of the country this is related to their alliance with Saudi Arabia and their reliance on the Suez Canal which the Yemeni rebels now control access to and their exposure to famine
Iran is saying if there is another attack, the gloves are off and they'll try and wipe out the middle east oil industry as they go down, as well as hitting critical civilian infrastructure.
Much movement / noise is similar to run up to the first US attacks this year. Debate over whether the attack will come before the Israeli Election or the US Midterms - possibly within 72hours - latest mood music suggests potentially this weekend. Seems to be shifting to a when not if.
Israel election: 27th Oct
Prices and Shortages:
Diesel needs no real reminder - we need it for haulage, mass transportation and farming, we are screwed without it. Fuel Emergency declarations in West Virgina, Kentucky, Michigan, Maryland, Arizona, Nebraska and Texas - typically allowing limited dyed diesel use for ag or commercial vehicles. Illinois and Missouri have also allowed by not under emergency orders. Less reported is the fertiliser shortage and knock on effect, poor yields this year and the effect of El Nino on next years, sulphur export bans and the blockade on Ukrainian and Russian wheat exports which are particularly crucial in feeding North Africa and the Middle East. This is liable to have significant impact on the UK with 6% rises in food already expected next year (and there's every reason to believe this will be higher especially with civil unrest all over the place). Reports of aviation fuel running low in some parts of Europe with emergency supplies (which can't last forever) being used.
El Nino:
See above about farming and also think of disasters - like the ones Spain is facing with flooding. Storm Austin is incoming and there is a weather warning for the South of England with power outages and flooding possible today/tomorrow.
The Internet:
PHP is 70% of the internet. Its got compromised so it can pretty much all be hacked. This is VERY BAD (in capital letters). Many websites offline whilst this is sorted including multiple government ones around the world.
Just AI generally - everything from putting everyone out of work to just hacking and killing us all. No Biggie.
Trump and the Mid Terms:
Trump is firmly losing his marbles. He's defected to Russia, can't stop rambling about men's arses, is waving at non-existent people, his team are known to be considering ways to impose martial law, he's getting heckled at Trump rallies by his own supporters, 83% of all voters think the biggest problem in the US now isn't the cost of living crisis but government corruption. He's being called a traitor by some of his fellow Reds. Mid Terms look a disaster and Trump probably won't accept them. He's reversing bills that Congress passed weeks ago by executive order.
Mid-Terms: 3rd Nov
Ukraine and Russia:
Ukraine facing massive problems still cos Elon has got the ump. Starlink isn't working at face enough speeds. They've bombed a shedload of Data Centres in Russia. This has killed off the Russian Internet and many Trump/Musk supporters in the process (one way or another) which screws up Twitter (and its value) for them. Ukraine is getting blamed for diesel shortages cos they refuse to stop hitting Russian refineries even though it has no choice now its been cut off by the US. Zelenskyy now says Trump isn't an ally. Trump wants Zelensky gone and thinks Putin is being reasonable and Ukraine doesn't want peace. Germany states it would have activated Art5 if the confirmed Russian sabotage attack on Liepzig had been successful.
Russia is apparently planning to step up its sabotage campaign in Europe after having successfully sunk a few boats in EU waters (Romania / Bulgaria - these sinkings have been in both international waters off the coast AND within their official territorial waters).
Economy:
Lots of debt. Much concern over the implications of this particularly with regards to AI and state debt in the US, UK, France and Japan (but not restricted to). Much money put into gold by China. Background of this bad given the approach of potentially multiple crisis.
France Moody's credit review: Due tomorrow 23rd Oct - expected to be not good especially in the current political climate in France
UK Budget: 28th October

They are all interconnected and one or many could tip us into abject chaos. Or not. The risks here are sky high. Of what? Take your pick.

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Legoandloldolls · 22/10/2026 22:54

I dont think anyone knows for certain what we are prepping for 100% so just presume for the most likely. Storm, flood, snow etc. Maybe cyber so have some cash.

Just presume no power, no water, no shops open or no way to get to the shops. Lots of people seem to pick holes in having food or cash but I think you have to do what you feel you need to. I have some cash. Maybe my takeaway or supermarket might be shut if it cant take card. But the way I see it, drawing out £100 ang getting change does zero harm. Having enough pasta for a week does no harm. I am almost guaranteed a power cut at some point so upgrading my candles to USB lamp does no harm.

At worst I eat the pasta anyway. I spend the cash at my takeaway. I have light at the next power cut. The only lost cash is the USB lamp but my kids can take a USB lamp to bed. A candel they cant.

Brokedownpalace · 22/10/2026 23:12

I can barely afford the weekly shop let alone stock piling on top of that, add to that my house is too small to actually store anything extra in as well. And as for withdrawing cash well there's not any to withdraw 😅 I'm doomed basically.

DrBlackbird · 22/10/2026 23:41

Well. I saw the first thread. Thought yes, time to get a few things. That was weeks ago and now I’m probably at the least amount extra goods in the house… ever. Now I’ve seen this new thread and I’m thinking, shit, how urgent is it that I go get stuff? It’ll have to wait for tomorrow, but no one at work or elsewhere amongst my friends are talking about imminent black outs etc.

Just when is this supposed to happen? How imminently?

Itsthewoluff · 22/10/2026 23:49

Thanks RTB for all the recent information. Have a good weekend away and let’s hope the S doesn’t HTF.

Legoandloldolls · 22/10/2026 23:57

Brokedownpalace · 22/10/2026 23:12

I can barely afford the weekly shop let alone stock piling on top of that, add to that my house is too small to actually store anything extra in as well. And as for withdrawing cash well there's not any to withdraw 😅 I'm doomed basically.

I get £5 or £10 out in the arcades everytime im down the coast. I very rarely get takeaway as we are large family but thats always cash only. So i built up a cash stash over time.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2026 03:36

DrBlackbird · 22/10/2026 23:41

Well. I saw the first thread. Thought yes, time to get a few things. That was weeks ago and now I’m probably at the least amount extra goods in the house… ever. Now I’ve seen this new thread and I’m thinking, shit, how urgent is it that I go get stuff? It’ll have to wait for tomorrow, but no one at work or elsewhere amongst my friends are talking about imminent black outs etc.

Just when is this supposed to happen? How imminently?

I see two key short term windows as a time frame here presently. And a third longer term national security strategy at play to think about in terms of timelines.

Window 1
The next week is particularly crucial for lots of reasons. To a degree, I'm inclined to say if you haven't already stockpiled, it may actually be too late if it does kick off immediately.

Tomorrow the French get a Moody's review. It's widely expected that they will be downgraded. This isn't going to help their debt woes and the civil unrest.
Another protest is planned for Saturday but it looks like the authorities are likely to take a harder line.
France continuing to have ongoing civil unrest is troubling due to a minor issue called 'The Channel Tunnel' and the minor factor that we import a significant amount of our food and goods through it.
French instability is a massive risk to our fragile just in time supply system. It's highly possible that we could start seeing supply shocks due to this.

The UK budget on Wednesday is also another flash point. If the government get it wrong and the markets don't like the budget, we could see some negative market reaction which pushes prices up. And yeah that affects a lot and may start to trigger unrest in the UK (though presently I think we are doing better than other countries on this front as Burnham is better liked and is currently getting the benefit of the doubt compared to a lot of other leaders around the UK, but this could wear off quickly).

And then this is against the backdrop of Trump and Netanyahu doing something really stupid and destabilising the whole world significantly. We really need a normalisation of the Gulf ASAP as we are currently living off oil reserves which will eventually run out. If infrastructure gets significantly damaged we are looking at long term energy related problems and fertiliser related issues. And we need Trump to stop being a jerk off about Ukraine and to accept midterm results. His reaction to the mid terms and whether he goes nuts domestically or over Ukraine also matter a great deal.

IF we get past the next week without too much happening some of the pressure eases but doesn't go away. IF things ramp up, problems on the horizon might happen sooner than you expect - particularly as panic buying as a possibility is very possible in a couple of these scenarios.

Window Two
Issues arent going away though even if the worst doesn't happen in France or the Gulf and in relation to the Midterms.

We clearly are seeing a spike in internet related problems and deliberate hacking. The Dutch and French Fridge and Supermarket incident is very worrying. Especially since we know that Russia has said it intends to up sabotage attempts across Europe. Again we've seen empty shelves in France, Italy and The Netherlands in the last week. This happened very quickly. I have a sense of when not if given the last two weeks of internet security related issues. Probably sooner rather than later.

Plus there's Gulf War fixed in problems now - infrastructure is damaged and we still have refinery capacity issues. Unless we can get on top of this, at some point we are going to have a supply issue - refineries need maintenance and can't run at max capacity for long and the reserves we are using ATM are finite. This hasn't fully unwound even if no more damage is done from today. This still has to play out.

The other thing that has to play out is wheat shortages and fertiliser problems. We KNOW there will be a significant famine in north Africa and the middle east. Ukraine and Russia are not able to export grain fully due to the war and we know low harvests in Europe are going to add to this pressure. Zelenskyy did actually put a date of two to three months - so end of November through to Christmas being flash points. Again this is liable to trigger civil unrest and offer risks to food and oil security (a lot of oil is currently being over landed from Iraq through Syria - there are some obvious issues with security with this). Currently the blockade of the Gulf is massively affecting fertiliser exports (this imports to Europe) compounded by export bans on fertiliser and sulphur (crucial for fertiliser production amongst other uses) by Russia and China.

High diesel prices and fertiliser prices are also leading to farmers going out of business (this not planting) or reducing planting due to the high costs. This is going to play out into next year with definite impacts on prices. Atm a 6% rise minimum on food prices is looking on the cards.

Households are going to get squeezed enough on energy come Jan with the energy price cap going up 20% so this is going to have a huge impact on cost of living.

I would say that there's actually an argument here to get ahead of the curve and to try and buy long life food in now whilst you can afford it as part of prudent financial planning - without any further disaster actually happening because there's enough pressure in the supply chain already which is going to impact us in three to six months regardless.

Any problems with energy blackouts are more likely to be the other side of Christmas when it gets coldest in the UK. The fact that Ofgem is warning that the UK may fail to meet demand for energy this winter sticks out as a point.

So my second window is really by Christmas for this reason.

Window Three
And Russia. Russia isn't going away. Russia is actively threatening us and there is a general mood that we have one of two scenarios to play out - Ukraine collapses and the problem gets closer to us or Russia starts to collapse and getting ever more desperate lashes out at Europe more. This doesn't change regardless of all of the above. The above just might compound Russian related issues. There's a sense that we need to think about more direct conflict with Russia within two years.

So this is also a longer term push for the normalisation of carrying extra supplies in your house with a bigger more direct war like scenario being viable .

So my third and last window is basically a normalisation of carrying extra food in your house being a long term UK defensive strategy to be in place within the next twelve to eighteen months.

This is without considering the unexpected of natural disasters or anything else unforeseen or foreseen but coming at us at pace.

Conclusion
So basically, this should be something that as many people as possible start to wrap their heads around as being a change to their general shopping habits and something we need to all get used to as normal permanently.

This isn't actually out of step with other nations as a basic concept of self reliance, preservation and ability to respond to crisis generally at greater speed and with greater efficiency should the need arise.

I think actually we've really been lax on this and ridden our luck because we generally have had such high levels of stability and security (both economic and strategic). And our self sufficiency has eroded quite considerably so we no longer have the luxury of being able to take this for granted. I think we've slept walked into this position and woken up rudely and gone 'oh fuck' and it needs addressing.

So yeah. Three timeframes for everyone to think about and work towards at this point, with the window on the first either already closed (and we don't realise it yet) or rapidly closing at this point. I think there's actually a risk of supply shock (not genuine shortages) if people do panic in the next week if events do start to unfold badly.

Genuinely a hugely amount depends on what the Great Dickhead of Dementia does in the next fortnight as to how bad / how quick. Which in itself is bloody scary.

So overall that's my assessment at this point. Give it 24 hours and I might turn up the volume on this though! (That's how quickly events are changing).

OP posts:
Natsku · 23/10/2026 04:16

HeckYeah · 22/10/2026 20:05

The Swedish government is starting to stock up on food again, but I don’t think they are filling warehouses with tins or blankets to hand out to everyone, that has been made clear it’s our own responsibility. They are saving things like grain and fertilizer so farms can keep growing food if a crisis hits, so from what I’ve heard the goal is just to keep the farming going.

Its the same in Finland, grains, fertiliser, fuel etc. It was the medical supplies that had expired, which was worrying.

Natsku · 23/10/2026 04:28

WaffleMacGubbins · 22/10/2026 21:56

I've learnt a lot from these threads and the links that have been shared. Thank you to everyone.
I have a question. Does anyone have a recommendation for a book of basic survival skills and wisdom. If the Internet goes down I'll not be able to Google how much domestos should I add to waterbutt water to make it ok to drink. Or 101 ways to eat a squirrel?

Or is there a planner/reference book combo which includes pages for writing down your important phone numbers, emergency plan, and space for you to do an inventory etc?

I bought the SAS survival handbook when I was a child and read it cover to cover multiple times - lots of useful info in it, and some less useful as I think its unlikely I'll need to survive at sea or in the jungle for instance.

One thing that just came to mind as I was having my morning tea just now - need to buy a spare tin opener for all the tins just in case our one breaks or goes missing! And if anyone uses an electric tin opener you better get a manual one now.

I also bought a battery powered camping lantern as well as the USB one I already have, just in case I'm unable to charge it - I have a decent stock of batteries already and bought some more. Need to buy more torches as I've lost mine but they didn't have anything decent in the shops in town so need to order. We have plenty of headlamps already as OH is an electrician so uses them a lot.

With my prescription meds, the inhalers I can't do much about but luckily my asthma is mild, my thyroid meds I could reduce if necessary - I take 3 a day, could cut down to 2 and probably not notice it much, 1 if I have to. Even if I run out its not like I'll die, I was first diagnosed when I was a student fairly new in the country and the language barrier meant I didn't actually understand the diagnosis, took one month's worth of thyroxine then no more for years until I was pregnant with my youngest and they prescribed them again and properly explained it.

Lizziewest88 · 23/10/2026 05:31

Feeling really nervous. Haven’t started preparing. Single mum on a tight budget and not sure how realistic if for me to! Thinking of getting bolts on the doors so we are a bit secure of people to come round looting. Ahh scary times

HoraceCope · 23/10/2026 05:36

pay day today
so i can withdraw some emergency cash

SnowflakesandSlippers · 23/10/2026 05:40

We've a stream and an old well nearby that is apparently safe to drink from, I might buy some tablets to make sure but I think that could be a back up if it was a really big emergency. We always have a few tins and bits for a few days for the winter in case of snow/powercut etc, so hopefully that will do for now. I'm trying to focus on being ready for Christmas and making sure I've budgeted for that.

We've a large garden so could try growing our own, but other than tomatoes I don't have much idea where to start or really the time to do it properly.

HeckYeah · 23/10/2026 05:42

Natsku · 23/10/2026 04:16

Its the same in Finland, grains, fertiliser, fuel etc. It was the medical supplies that had expired, which was worrying.

I remember something liike that a couple of years ago, they went through what was left in stock and it either wasn’t much or it had expired just like you say.

I think the Klara centre is about 7000 square metres and build to absorb atomic shock waves, and there are a couple of other big ones too. All far away from me anyway. We do have about 64,000 civil defence shelters nationwide, my closest neighbour has one so fingers crossed he has cleared it enough. Might ask him actually. No pets allowed though.

threetrainers · 23/10/2026 06:29

@RedToothBrush & why do you think the gov has gone with 3 days? To not panic people ? will they really be help to restore/send help in that window?

Saddaughter999 · 23/10/2026 06:37

We're f*ed in case something serious happens. Lots of people in this country have literally zero skills to survive or cook. I know mums with kids who have no idea how to make a soup. As soon as shit hits the fan - they would be calling Council or Police to deliver food for them.
I bet most of them couldn't make a fire either.
Anyway, if you are disabled, carer,etc ,- make sure you are on Priority Registers with electricity, water,etc as you would be first in line if help needed.
And flu vaccine - with water shortages, etc illnesses will spread fast.

Electra10E · 23/10/2026 06:39

Great thread.

I think many of you should be preparing for the economic shock, not cyber, not weather, not conflict (except indirectly).

Saddaughter999 · 23/10/2026 06:39

threetrainers · 23/10/2026 06:29

@RedToothBrush & why do you think the gov has gone with 3 days? To not panic people ? will they really be help to restore/send help in that window?

I would really doubt it, they won't have enough staff for it.
I live in the street with elderly people, families with disabled kids, etc.
Services should literally serve 90% of houses if something happens, it's not possible.

Clearingthedecks · 23/10/2026 06:54

Checking in, so much good information, support and humour on here, many thanks.

TheKindnessProject · 23/10/2026 06:59

Many thanks to everyone contributing here. I have some good ideas now. Appreciated.

RedRiverShore6 · 23/10/2026 07:26

They probably said 3 days and not longer because if they said weeks there would be a furore because it's a lot for people to afford especially with the CoL

HeckYeah · 23/10/2026 07:47

Electra10E · 23/10/2026 06:39

Great thread.

I think many of you should be preparing for the economic shock, not cyber, not weather, not conflict (except indirectly).

But cyberattacks will most definitely affect our economy by stealing money and personal information, not to mention disrupting online banking and shopping. They will also damage businesses and lead to severe job losses.

Troubledwords · 23/10/2026 07:47

Lizziewest88 · 23/10/2026 05:31

Feeling really nervous. Haven’t started preparing. Single mum on a tight budget and not sure how realistic if for me to! Thinking of getting bolts on the doors so we are a bit secure of people to come round looting. Ahh scary times

Think about what you already have, cereal and milk, bread for sandwiches? If you don't have a way to heat up food in a power cut, then start with what cold foods you already eat.
Do you own a torch, or battery Christmas lights, again think through what you have, check what batteries they need.

Clearingthedecks · 23/10/2026 08:10

An mp3 player can hold a good amount of downloads to listen to and are permanently stored on it.
I've downloaded over 300 episodes of 'Ramblings' on Radio 4 from the BBC Sounds website, each one lasting 24 mins and there's still plenty of storage available.

WaffleMacGubbins · 23/10/2026 08:46

Natsku · 23/10/2026 04:28

I bought the SAS survival handbook when I was a child and read it cover to cover multiple times - lots of useful info in it, and some less useful as I think its unlikely I'll need to survive at sea or in the jungle for instance.

One thing that just came to mind as I was having my morning tea just now - need to buy a spare tin opener for all the tins just in case our one breaks or goes missing! And if anyone uses an electric tin opener you better get a manual one now.

I also bought a battery powered camping lantern as well as the USB one I already have, just in case I'm unable to charge it - I have a decent stock of batteries already and bought some more. Need to buy more torches as I've lost mine but they didn't have anything decent in the shops in town so need to order. We have plenty of headlamps already as OH is an electrician so uses them a lot.

With my prescription meds, the inhalers I can't do much about but luckily my asthma is mild, my thyroid meds I could reduce if necessary - I take 3 a day, could cut down to 2 and probably not notice it much, 1 if I have to. Even if I run out its not like I'll die, I was first diagnosed when I was a student fairly new in the country and the language barrier meant I didn't actually understand the diagnosis, took one month's worth of thyroxine then no more for years until I was pregnant with my youngest and they prescribed them again and properly explained it.

Just added it to my basket. Thank you

Rubydobydo · 23/10/2026 09:32

Vegetable growing is easy if you have even a small plot. Just clear the soil of weeds etc, rough the top 3/4 inches of soil up, then sow your seed thinly enough in a straight line so there’s a little gap between each. Cover with an inch of soil, water and wait.

A very simplistic explanation for the completely inexperienced so critique not required!
However, choose where you grow them wisely as people will pinch them.

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