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Crisis What Crisis? The One You Start To Wish You'd Stockpiled Like Your Crazy Friend? Continuation thread (3)

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RedToothBrush · 22/10/2026 10:05

Previous threads
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5576816-aibu-to-think-my-friend-is-overdoing-emergency-stockpiling?page=1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5585259-crisis-what-crisis-is-my-friend-over-doing-the-stockpiling-and-am-i-too-continuation-thread-2?page=1

Continuation of the AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling thread for discussion about the government advice to stockpile for an imminent emergency and what the heck that emergency might actually be.

Spoiler: it's more of a perfect storm of lots of factors coming together to potentially form one great clusterfuck from economic woes, global energy shortages (mainly diesel), potential food shortages, war and madmen to crazy weather patterns rather than a clear identifiable singular thread.
This is a practical thread and a bit of a handhold thread to make sense of events and how they may affect you. This is not an end of the world thread.

Remember an emergency can range from a temporary unexpected event to a much longer crisis but the underlying principles generally stay the same.

This is the official government information and advice, if you want further details on what the actual recommendations are:
https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies/

ROUGH STATUS REPORT (as of 9am 22nd Oct - please note this isn't fully comprehensive, and is moving FAST)
Civil Unrest reported in:
France, Italy, Greece, Belgium, Albania, Indonesia - multi reasons, but largely due to economic pressures and the cost of living
Spain has had problems but these have temporarily stopped, probably due to significant weather related issues due to the Dana effect
More protests planned for this coming weekend
High Alert in the Middle East:
Netanyahu now committed to regime change in Iran, as he believes they are developing a nuke.
The US has pulled all Embassy Staff from Saudi Arabia and is hoping no one notices that they've ordered personal and families across the Gulf home and then seem to have lied that they have.
The Emir of Qatar has stated at their equivalent of the annual King's Speech at the Opening of Parliament that war was coming and to prepare for the worst scenarios. US pulling planes out of Qatar.
The Egyptian PM has warned the country of severe crisis ahead - given the nature of the country this is related to their alliance with Saudi Arabia and their reliance on the Suez Canal which the Yemeni rebels now control access to and their exposure to famine
Iran is saying if there is another attack, the gloves are off and they'll try and wipe out the middle east oil industry as they go down, as well as hitting critical civilian infrastructure.
Much movement / noise is similar to run up to the first US attacks this year. Debate over whether the attack will come before the Israeli Election or the US Midterms - possibly within 72hours - latest mood music suggests potentially this weekend. Seems to be shifting to a when not if.
Israel election: 27th Oct
Prices and Shortages:
Diesel needs no real reminder - we need it for haulage, mass transportation and farming, we are screwed without it. Fuel Emergency declarations in West Virgina, Kentucky, Michigan, Maryland, Arizona, Nebraska and Texas - typically allowing limited dyed diesel use for ag or commercial vehicles. Illinois and Missouri have also allowed by not under emergency orders. Less reported is the fertiliser shortage and knock on effect, poor yields this year and the effect of El Nino on next years, sulphur export bans and the blockade on Ukrainian and Russian wheat exports which are particularly crucial in feeding North Africa and the Middle East. This is liable to have significant impact on the UK with 6% rises in food already expected next year (and there's every reason to believe this will be higher especially with civil unrest all over the place). Reports of aviation fuel running low in some parts of Europe with emergency supplies (which can't last forever) being used.
El Nino:
See above about farming and also think of disasters - like the ones Spain is facing with flooding. Storm Austin is incoming and there is a weather warning for the South of England with power outages and flooding possible today/tomorrow.
The Internet:
PHP is 70% of the internet. Its got compromised so it can pretty much all be hacked. This is VERY BAD (in capital letters). Many websites offline whilst this is sorted including multiple government ones around the world.
Just AI generally - everything from putting everyone out of work to just hacking and killing us all. No Biggie.
Trump and the Mid Terms:
Trump is firmly losing his marbles. He's defected to Russia, can't stop rambling about men's arses, is waving at non-existent people, his team are known to be considering ways to impose martial law, he's getting heckled at Trump rallies by his own supporters, 83% of all voters think the biggest problem in the US now isn't the cost of living crisis but government corruption. He's being called a traitor by some of his fellow Reds. Mid Terms look a disaster and Trump probably won't accept them. He's reversing bills that Congress passed weeks ago by executive order.
Mid-Terms: 3rd Nov
Ukraine and Russia:
Ukraine facing massive problems still cos Elon has got the ump. Starlink isn't working at face enough speeds. They've bombed a shedload of Data Centres in Russia. This has killed off the Russian Internet and many Trump/Musk supporters in the process (one way or another) which screws up Twitter (and its value) for them. Ukraine is getting blamed for diesel shortages cos they refuse to stop hitting Russian refineries even though it has no choice now its been cut off by the US. Zelenskyy now says Trump isn't an ally. Trump wants Zelensky gone and thinks Putin is being reasonable and Ukraine doesn't want peace. Germany states it would have activated Art5 if the confirmed Russian sabotage attack on Liepzig had been successful.
Russia is apparently planning to step up its sabotage campaign in Europe after having successfully sunk a few boats in EU waters (Romania / Bulgaria - these sinkings have been in both international waters off the coast AND within their official territorial waters).
Economy:
Lots of debt. Much concern over the implications of this particularly with regards to AI and state debt in the US, UK, France and Japan (but not restricted to). Much money put into gold by China. Background of this bad given the approach of potentially multiple crisis.
France Moody's credit review: Due tomorrow 23rd Oct - expected to be not good especially in the current political climate in France
UK Budget: 28th October

They are all interconnected and one or many could tip us into abject chaos. Or not. The risks here are sky high. Of what? Take your pick.

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Munchyseeds2 · Today 08:42

@Cookiemonster13 I think you have enough bleach!
You only need a tiny amount to sterilise water

IAxolotlQuestions · Today 08:46

Holeymoley28 · Yesterday 16:50

I’ve dug out the battery camping radio. It’s fm. So technically I’m good. But I’ll still order a solar one.

My parents seem to think of shtf they are coming to me 🤨

I’m pretty sure that my sibling would try and stick it out at home, but if problems went on long enough he knows I’m a prepper with stores and land, and would just up sticks and come to me. I keep this in mind when maintaining stocks.

He has useful skills though, so I’d let him in. ;)

IAxolotlQuestions · Today 08:48

Ont he water storage/freezer chilling point - someone upstream mentioned water in ziploc bags. Please dont do this - ziplocs are great unless they leak, and leaking ziplocs in a defrosting freezer creates a grand mess.

Use empty robinsons squash bottles 2/3 filled instead. Very sturdy.

Cookiemonster13 · Today 08:50

Munchyseeds2 · Today 08:42

@Cookiemonster13 I think you have enough bleach!
You only need a tiny amount to sterilise water

I won't get any more then 😊

IAxolotlQuestions · Today 08:54

Cookiemonster13 · Today 08:50

I won't get any more then 😊

1/2 a teaspoon max per 10litres.

Sober23 · Today 08:57

Does Milton make water safe to drink too? How much?

This is all really unnerving to be honest, I feel a bit overwhelmed by it.

IAxolotlQuestions · Today 09:04

Sober23 · Today 08:57

Does Milton make water safe to drink too? How much?

This is all really unnerving to be honest, I feel a bit overwhelmed by it.

1/2 a teaspoon per 5 litres.

for both million and bleach - swirl around and leave for 30 mins before drinking.

and remember - yes it’ll taste odd - but it’s safe.

You don’t need to feel overwhelmed. Get the basics in (only stuff you actually eat) and consider your alternatives for heating and cooking. Then work from there. It’s not apocalypse prepping - you’re just creating a deep pantry and giving yourself options and the ability to stay home rather than lining up hungry and stressed.

IAxolotlQuestions · Today 09:06

If storing water - put the bleach in at the start of storage.

WaffleMacGubbins · Today 09:11

Cookiemonster13 · Today 08:13

My camping stove arrived yesterday. I managed to get it secondhand on eBay for £6 with delivery it was £11.50 so a good deal I think. It wasn't packaged that well so the suitcase has a crack in it but other that it seems fine. I just tested it and it ignites.

partner is getting antsy about where everything is going to live. I was going to relegate camping stove to the shed. Not terribly secure although partner always says locking it is an invitation to steal. We live on a farm so think people more likely would be looking for diesel and if the power goes out I'd bring camping stove indoors (obviously not use indoors).

Think in done on bottled water now. I think it's probably better to work through plan b. We have a stream nearby. I've ordered 2litres of thin bleach is that enough for sterilisation? Don't want to panic buy but perhaps I should get another bottle. I have Milton tabs already as I have young children. I was looking at water purification tablets on Amazon but the price has sky rocketed so I didn't purchase.

i have a 20 litre camping water bag could buy a second but mixed reviews on durability of the bag so wanted to test it out first with a few litres before I buy a second. Thought this would be useful if we get any warning could fill up or if we need to transport from a bowser.

Our main priority I think is to get our water butt attached to the downpipe it's been sat around over a year as partner is busy and it's bottom of his to do list. Might look at other large water storage options but perhaps now is the wrong time as prices will be high although perhaps demand will continue with the drought.

I am going to do some research over the next few days on how to make rainwater and stream water safe to drink and make written notes. I'm going to get googling while we still can.

I did the maths... Your 2 litres of bleach can make 16000 litres of rainwater safe to drink. That would be enough for one person to survive on 2 litres of water a day for 21 years and 11 months.
I'd focus on buying a supply of chocolate to last an equally long time 😅

SeriouslyWeird · Today 09:13

Regarding water, I bought one of these last week. It was on my wish list some time ago because of the water companies being shady and unreliable but I couldn't really justify the expense. This latest shitshow tipped the balance. Having done some research, I think it would be effective at making water from the water butt drinkable.

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SeriouslyWeird · Today 09:14

Sorry, that's a really messy link!

Holeymoley28 · Today 09:15

Re the rat poison it’s exactly that due to location and if we had to close with what we also have on site as well as the rubbish that wouldn’t be collected from prior to shut down it would be like rat paradise.

Not something people would really think about.

I’ve put nappy sacks on my shopping list for the number two issue. Been a while since I’ve had to buy them.

IAxolotlQuestions · Today 09:21

Holeymoley28 · Today 09:15

Re the rat poison it’s exactly that due to location and if we had to close with what we also have on site as well as the rubbish that wouldn’t be collected from prior to shut down it would be like rat paradise.

Not something people would really think about.

I’ve put nappy sacks on my shopping list for the number two issue. Been a while since I’ve had to buy them.

Happily for us the local cats are all hunters.

Itsthewoluff · Today 09:24

I thought I’d read 1/4 tsp bleach per bucket (approx 10l)?

Already info is conflicting.

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