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Crisis What Crisis? The One You Start To Wish You'd Stockpiled Like Your Crazy Friend? Continuation thread (3)

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RedToothBrush · 22/10/2026 10:05

Previous threads
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5576816-aibu-to-think-my-friend-is-overdoing-emergency-stockpiling?page=1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5585259-crisis-what-crisis-is-my-friend-over-doing-the-stockpiling-and-am-i-too-continuation-thread-2?page=1

Continuation of the AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling thread for discussion about the government advice to stockpile for an imminent emergency and what the heck that emergency might actually be.

Spoiler: it's more of a perfect storm of lots of factors coming together to potentially form one great clusterfuck from economic woes, global energy shortages (mainly diesel), potential food shortages, war and madmen to crazy weather patterns rather than a clear identifiable singular thread.
This is a practical thread and a bit of a handhold thread to make sense of events and how they may affect you. This is not an end of the world thread.

Remember an emergency can range from a temporary unexpected event to a much longer crisis but the underlying principles generally stay the same.

This is the official government information and advice, if you want further details on what the actual recommendations are:
https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies/

ROUGH STATUS REPORT (as of 9am 22nd Oct - please note this isn't fully comprehensive, and is moving FAST)
Civil Unrest reported in:
France, Italy, Greece, Belgium, Albania, Indonesia - multi reasons, but largely due to economic pressures and the cost of living
Spain has had problems but these have temporarily stopped, probably due to significant weather related issues due to the Dana effect
More protests planned for this coming weekend
High Alert in the Middle East:
Netanyahu now committed to regime change in Iran, as he believes they are developing a nuke.
The US has pulled all Embassy Staff from Saudi Arabia and is hoping no one notices that they've ordered personal and families across the Gulf home and then seem to have lied that they have.
The Emir of Qatar has stated at their equivalent of the annual King's Speech at the Opening of Parliament that war was coming and to prepare for the worst scenarios. US pulling planes out of Qatar.
The Egyptian PM has warned the country of severe crisis ahead - given the nature of the country this is related to their alliance with Saudi Arabia and their reliance on the Suez Canal which the Yemeni rebels now control access to and their exposure to famine
Iran is saying if there is another attack, the gloves are off and they'll try and wipe out the middle east oil industry as they go down, as well as hitting critical civilian infrastructure.
Much movement / noise is similar to run up to the first US attacks this year. Debate over whether the attack will come before the Israeli Election or the US Midterms - possibly within 72hours - latest mood music suggests potentially this weekend. Seems to be shifting to a when not if.
Israel election: 27th Oct
Prices and Shortages:
Diesel needs no real reminder - we need it for haulage, mass transportation and farming, we are screwed without it. Fuel Emergency declarations in West Virgina, Kentucky, Michigan, Maryland, Arizona, Nebraska and Texas - typically allowing limited dyed diesel use for ag or commercial vehicles. Illinois and Missouri have also allowed by not under emergency orders. Less reported is the fertiliser shortage and knock on effect, poor yields this year and the effect of El Nino on next years, sulphur export bans and the blockade on Ukrainian and Russian wheat exports which are particularly crucial in feeding North Africa and the Middle East. This is liable to have significant impact on the UK with 6% rises in food already expected next year (and there's every reason to believe this will be higher especially with civil unrest all over the place). Reports of aviation fuel running low in some parts of Europe with emergency supplies (which can't last forever) being used.
El Nino:
See above about farming and also think of disasters - like the ones Spain is facing with flooding. Storm Austin is incoming and there is a weather warning for the South of England with power outages and flooding possible today/tomorrow.
The Internet:
PHP is 70% of the internet. Its got compromised so it can pretty much all be hacked. This is VERY BAD (in capital letters). Many websites offline whilst this is sorted including multiple government ones around the world.
Just AI generally - everything from putting everyone out of work to just hacking and killing us all. No Biggie.
Trump and the Mid Terms:
Trump is firmly losing his marbles. He's defected to Russia, can't stop rambling about men's arses, is waving at non-existent people, his team are known to be considering ways to impose martial law, he's getting heckled at Trump rallies by his own supporters, 83% of all voters think the biggest problem in the US now isn't the cost of living crisis but government corruption. He's being called a traitor by some of his fellow Reds. Mid Terms look a disaster and Trump probably won't accept them. He's reversing bills that Congress passed weeks ago by executive order.
Mid-Terms: 3rd Nov
Ukraine and Russia:
Ukraine facing massive problems still cos Elon has got the ump. Starlink isn't working at face enough speeds. They've bombed a shedload of Data Centres in Russia. This has killed off the Russian Internet and many Trump/Musk supporters in the process (one way or another) which screws up Twitter (and its value) for them. Ukraine is getting blamed for diesel shortages cos they refuse to stop hitting Russian refineries even though it has no choice now its been cut off by the US. Zelenskyy now says Trump isn't an ally. Trump wants Zelensky gone and thinks Putin is being reasonable and Ukraine doesn't want peace. Germany states it would have activated Art5 if the confirmed Russian sabotage attack on Liepzig had been successful.
Russia is apparently planning to step up its sabotage campaign in Europe after having successfully sunk a few boats in EU waters (Romania / Bulgaria - these sinkings have been in both international waters off the coast AND within their official territorial waters).
Economy:
Lots of debt. Much concern over the implications of this particularly with regards to AI and state debt in the US, UK, France and Japan (but not restricted to). Much money put into gold by China. Background of this bad given the approach of potentially multiple crisis.
France Moody's credit review: Due tomorrow 23rd Oct - expected to be not good especially in the current political climate in France
UK Budget: 28th October

They are all interconnected and one or many could tip us into abject chaos. Or not. The risks here are sky high. Of what? Take your pick.

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Natsku · 25/10/2026 04:51

For posh stock I have a large tin of duck confit - the fat will be very nice spread on toast

If we can't heat our house for more than a couple of days I think we'll go to FIL's across town as he has a big masonry stove so we could heat that and camp out in that room. Also his sauna is a wood fired stove so we could get clean even without hot water - hot sauna to sweat all the dirt out then bucket of cold water to rinse it off. Or if we could travel further to MIL's their sauna has water heated by the stove and a clean river next to it for washing in (cold but DS swam in it on Friday so doable) and a water source. They wouldn't leave their home for sure, because they have horses to look after.

PreparationPreventsPPP · 25/10/2026 06:03

@FedUpCelery yes aresols

PreparationPreventsPPP · 25/10/2026 06:08

How much cash should we have out ?
I'm thinking 70 quid ?

OneElatedBiscuit · 25/10/2026 07:14

I was going for about £100. With some small change. It probably depends how many live in your house. Four of us here
Really though I don't know.

Clearingthedecks · 25/10/2026 07:22

All the walnuts round here have been picked off the trees by crows who drop them from a height on to the roads to break the shells open, then swoop down to collect the nuts inside.

Am building up a reserve of small change by using bank notes to buy small items in the self service checkouts. Used to have to do this a lot to collect coins for the launderette.

Planning to buy a spare gas camping stove. The mechanism behind the switch which clicks the gas canister on broke on my last one making it useless.

Taracand · 25/10/2026 08:03

Part of our stock: Perello gordal olives, Ortiz tuna, Merchant Gourmet pouches (got the last of the beluga lentils at Waitrose!), Manilife peanut butter, Bold Bean Co beans, umeboshi, truffle flavoured pasta sauce and Italian pistachio butter (jar lid just about visible in the back).

Have to be ready for anything!

Crisis What Crisis? The One You Start To Wish You'd Stockpiled Like Your Crazy Friend? Continuation thread (3)
Bluelake · 25/10/2026 08:03

WaffleMacGubbins · 24/10/2026 19:56

Also I'm thinking that if we had any sort of warning of shit hitting the fan, what should we prioritise in the minutes or hours of notice we had?

Fill containers with water while the taps worked - non negotiable!
Charge everything while the electric is on - another non negotiable!
Phone family to check in with them

But...
Last panic buying trip to tesco? Yay or nay?
Drive to collect elderly relatives?
Start cooking joints of meat from the freezer?

What else?

What would the final moments of prepping be to give you the best "3 days" where nothing worked?

I think it helps if you have forethought on what your priorities would be depending on circumstances at the time.

My friend visited during heavy rain. Within an hour our road and pavements were a running river. She left immediately but couldn't safely drive though water, so came back. I waded out to get food and milk for her baby as I had a change of clothes. Tescos was on verge of closing as it was flooding, so wouldn't leave that too late if I was desperate for something (although I won't be with 3 days stockpiled!). On returning, it hit me cats hadn't been out, so I needed litter trays out - luckily in house so prepping for if you have outdoor cats. After that it was a case of getting paperwork, photos etc onto higher levels and we were taking things like food and the litter trays upstairs. The water never got in our house but if there had been more, I think I'd have been too late in moving things.

A couple of days later, Severn Trent had to close off our water treatment works. Someone told me an hour after the announcement. I shot in shower as my hair needed washing - glad I did as two weeks with very little water wasn't great! After that I filled the bath, kettle and saucepans - water pressure was very low as everyone was doing it. Our water ran out about four hours after they cut the supply. Next day, water was available for collection - 4 x 2l bottles per family (I wasn't allowed to take extra for my Mum). There wasn't enough for everyone as I went back later to see if I could get some more. My Mum hadn't had chance to collect any water as she was at work, so I wanted to ensure she had enough.

Rubydobydo · 25/10/2026 08:33

PreparationPreventsPPP · 24/10/2026 22:57

  • I was part raised on corned beef so I think I will get some and also has anyone tried this tube cheese ?

Not something I’d now buy but I used to love primula!

OneElatedBiscuit · 25/10/2026 08:35

Olives are a good idea. I need to add to my pasta reserves. I'm also thinking that pasta will get very expensive due to reduced production and wheat harvests, and a lack of production due to closed factories at the moment. Putting some aside now helps protect against price rises. Although can't protect fully against that

I probably need more water- don't have enough for three days. I don't live too far from a river, so I can send a teen out to there with a bucket for the toilet.

Rubydobydo · 25/10/2026 08:36

OneElatedBiscuit · 25/10/2026 07:14

I was going for about £100. With some small change. It probably depends how many live in your house. Four of us here
Really though I don't know.

I’d say as much as you can afford to not have in use.
We’ve £1000 (not a brag) but do have it kept safe in a gun cabinet.

OneElatedBiscuit · 25/10/2026 08:36

I hate Primula, and sandwich spread
Corned beef and spam, not keen on but I will let a can of each in.

Rubydobydo · 25/10/2026 08:38

Taracand · 25/10/2026 08:03

Part of our stock: Perello gordal olives, Ortiz tuna, Merchant Gourmet pouches (got the last of the beluga lentils at Waitrose!), Manilife peanut butter, Bold Bean Co beans, umeboshi, truffle flavoured pasta sauce and Italian pistachio butter (jar lid just about visible in the back).

Have to be ready for anything!

I have Tesco everything. Infra dig….

PauliesWalnuts · 25/10/2026 08:49

It’s quite difficult when you generally don’t use many tins - I think I only use tinned tomatoes and sardines. Have widened my horizons to include tinned ham, corned beef and salmon and other suggestions on this thread are really handy. Got a fair amount of pasta and rice, long life juice (not a tea or coffee drinker and live solo), and several Firepot meals as I camp quite a lot. Also got a camping stone and a jetboil and my winter sleeping bag. 22l of water in the spare room plus a 50l full water butt outside for the loo and stand up washes. Oh, and 2 bars of Tony’s chocolonely and 2 bars of Kendal Mint Cake just in case I have a mountain to climb.

MrsPapillon · 25/10/2026 08:50

Taracand · 25/10/2026 08:03

Part of our stock: Perello gordal olives, Ortiz tuna, Merchant Gourmet pouches (got the last of the beluga lentils at Waitrose!), Manilife peanut butter, Bold Bean Co beans, umeboshi, truffle flavoured pasta sauce and Italian pistachio butter (jar lid just about visible in the back).

Have to be ready for anything!

They sound like perfect ingredients to put together a meal from a Guardian recipe! DH and I always chuckle at Guardian recipes. As northerners, we’ve never heard of half the ingredients.

DrBlackbird · 25/10/2026 08:53

GentleSheep · 24/10/2026 21:50

So my thinking is that 3 days means 3 days where the govt doesn't need to worry about you but can get on with worrying about all those who really need help but haven't been able to get enough supplies or there's just too much emergency stuff going on. However this doesn't magically disappear as day 4 dawns, does it!

A prepper I listened to today mentioned the 'Protest and Survive' leaflet of the 80s and said there the govt recommended 14 days of supplies! People would faint if you told them that today! Plus if you look at the leaflet on page one it has a nuclear explosion, not terribly reassuring! 😅That booklet was next level! Linked below for those brave enough to see:

https://www.peaceeducationscotland.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1980-uk-gov-protect-survive.pdf

Three days is by comparison enough for a long holiday weekend or Christmas! Plus no needing to build a fallout room!

My god that pamphlet from 1980 on nuclear attack was sobering and completely unrealistic for most of us.

Certainly in our house, we have no cellar, no basement, no room in the house without a window, no space to build an ‘inner room’!

And if we had to live under our dining table, we wouldn’t all fit and definitely no room for us plus food for 14 days! We’d be screwed 🙄

MountainThew · 25/10/2026 09:24

Looking at more medium-long term resilience, ideally we should all be as self-reliant as possible.

Growing as much fruit and veg as we can.
Rabbits, are supposedly the lowest cost to meat ratio of any animal, and don't need as much space as others.
Rain water collection and storage.
Solar panels and batteries.
Log burners and stoves, especially if we have access to wood.

I know not everyone has the space, funds or time to do all of the above, and I will get hounded by some because rabbits are cute and fluffy, but some of us have options to more self-sufficient, and the more of us that are the better.

WaffleMacGubbins · 25/10/2026 09:28

PreparationPreventsPPP · 24/10/2026 22:58

I'm sure this has been replied to but a camping stove and hot water bottles !
They will keep you very warm esp with hats and thermals and a sleeping bag.

Isn't a camping stove used inside to keep warm a really bad idea because of carbon monoxide?

OneElatedBiscuit · 25/10/2026 09:41

Riots in Barcelona according a Facebook post I have just seen. Not sure if we were aware of those as well as France , Italy and elsewhere

OneElatedBiscuit · 25/10/2026 09:41

And, don't use camping stoves inside.

HeckYeah · 25/10/2026 09:42

Bought some paper plates yesterday so not waste water for washing up, not something I had thought of before.

OneElatedBiscuit · 25/10/2026 09:44

Also probably worth being on top of any dental work. You don't want painful teeth (anytime)

WaffleMacGubbins · 25/10/2026 09:51

GentleSheep · 25/10/2026 00:01

It says 1 pint water per person per day, that's just 1.1 litre! Were people that much smaller then? 😂Also the sheer amount of stuff you were meant to put in your fallout shelter which was realistically only going to be a tiny space! Absolutely bonkers. But at least it was very detailed, can you imagine today, a run on sandbags? 😂

Yes, I noticed the comparison on water requirements between then and now. I ended up down a water rabbit hole...

There was a study in 2000 where 1724 UK adults kept a food diary and the authors worked out on average how much water people actually consume in day to day life (including all drinks and water intake from food). Woman consume 2.03 litres, men 2.53 litres. About half a litre of that (for both men and women) comes from food.

I worked out what I drink and get from food, which is roughly 3.6 litres a day. I do drink a lot of tea!

Now in a hunker down at home in winter scenerio, we won't be loosing much water in sweat due to excercise or warm temperatures, so we possibly don't need as much water as in normal day to day life. A 2025 study estimated the minimum needed for survival was 1.5 litres a day (in cool, resting conditions) Approx 1 litre from drinks, and 0.5 litres from food, they estimated.

So all that led me to think is that I'm planning on 1.5 to 2 litres of bottled water per person per day for drinking. I'd rather plan above a survival level for comfort. But 1.5 to 2 litres of bottled water per person per day is much easier to store than the 3 litre gov recommendation. Extra water for washing, cleaning etc hopefully kept in the bath, buckets etc if the taps work long enough to fill them

MrsPernicious · 25/10/2026 09:52

Check you carbon monoxide and smoke alarms. Think about getting another couple.

FindingMeno · 25/10/2026 09:54

The unrest in places in Europe has continued into the weekend. Seems no move (yet) on the Iran situation.
Honestly some of the comments on the multitude of threads about getting a "stockpile". From the completely unaware, to those determined to be negative. I wonder what it takes to get through to some people!
I'm sure life is just shapes and colours to some and there's no thoughts in their heads about anything other than the normal ever happening.
It's frustrating.
Where I was hoping to help other people should the need ever arise, I'm not so sure now. There seems to be a lot more who won't prepare than can't prepare and they seem to be very scathing and vocal.

FindingMeno · 25/10/2026 09:56

MrsPernicious · 25/10/2026 09:52

Check you carbon monoxide and smoke alarms. Think about getting another couple.

Yes, definitely a good nudge!