Labour isn't Working - Thread 42

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙☕️

We're gearing up for the Burnham budget. 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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A few pence off gherkins and marmalade headlines

Plus hitting pubs again 2p on a pint headline

A general election costs lots of money for all concerned, not least the taxpayer. Do we really need another so soon?
I know he’s not going to get any better, but it gives Kemi the chance to put the Tory house in better order.

“Cheaper gherkins, in every postcode.”
Looks like the conversation on CoL went awry.

After those threads with the usual mocking and snark over potential terrorism, as it must have been fuel thievery, this has happened.

Two men have been charged over the suspected RAF Fairford terror plot.

Mohmed Abdulkarim, 24, and Nouman Essghir, 24, have been charged under the National Security Act following an investigation, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said.

Quentin Letts lays bare AB's lightweight approach to the job of PM. It's longer than his usual essays, which is unsurprising.

(Peter Hitchens commented recently that the Suez Crisis made us a second-rate humiliated nation and now Labour is trying to make us a third-rate state. If Letts's take on Burnham's performance to date is correct, it's hard to disagree with that statement.)

https://www.dailymail.com/debate/article-16240739/policies-skimpy-shorts-Andy-Burnham-100-days-QUENTIN-LETTS.html

I said he would worse than Starmer, he has not disappointed me. Freedom Of Movement when we have 1 million NEETS is just totally Illogical . The desire to rejoin the E-U is because, he does not have one single idea. The, man also has no opinions just follows the wind. In 2016 accepting Brexit and accepting that Freedom of Movement has damaged towns like Makerfield. How can what has happened in Europe over the last ten years, have changed that view.

Yes even some Labour MPs getting twitchy. The same people thought Starmer was immune when he irritated people, and applauded him doing so. So let’s see.

About the NEETS

something that really bothers me is that we have such a shortage in essential areas like electricians, plumbers, builders - but it seems incredibly hard to get an apprenticeship and I understand that kids say they’re still not really told about the trades in schools.

Something else I heard is that they are put off if they see parents having physical problems after years in those jobs. I completely understand that. The ones I know have generally moved off into other areas like Planning and supervision by the time they get to the age though. I suppose those are the ones who are going to encourage their children to go for these kinds of careers. Most careers aren’t forever anyway.

I don’t claim to have specialist knowledge of this kind of thing…. I can’t shake the feeling that we’re sitting on a lot of untapped skills and energy. And to use an example of red tape, my mum knows a tradesman who tried to talk to the local college about setting up work experience. They turned him down. He didn’t give me chapter and verse on this but the impression I got from him was that they just couldn’t be bothered. And it’s such a shame.

He does have some lads working with him, mostly through word-of-mouth. But he was quite prepared to be part of a proper scheme and his enthusiasm was just rejected. I don’t get it.

Anyway, I’m sure Andy Burnham’s argument will be partly anchored in trying to get certain skills from Europe…. But the impression I’m under is that we’ve spent years discouraging our own young people from doing these kinds of jobs.

all while encouraging them to go to university, which does nothing for them except get them in debt.

edit - this isn’t the fault of the current government, obviously, and I know they’re investing in Technical excellence Colleges with a view to investing in some of these skills.

@SapphireCasino I remember how British plumber and sparkies were massivley undercut by the 6 million plus work force that came over from Poland and so on under Blair.
On one of the debates inremeber seeing some young lad saying he was training or something and suddenly the landscape was awash with super cheap labour. .
It's a massive reason why corbyn and the hard left went for Brexit because they can't square the EU and Labour etc.

@QuiteUnbelievable oh I remember that very well
I’ll still rant about it to anyone who will listen

Which is a grand total of about… one person.

Saw this and felt really sad. People who worked hard for decades because their parents and society said that's what to aim for. Wonder what is/was the bloody point.

In my rural area, at the local schools we already have other options outside of the curriculum. They are b-tec courses and include thing like motor vehicle and mechanic, land management, agricultural pathway, engineering etc, also community which included work experience with local businesses, This led to kids going into Apprenticeship’s, on the job training and attending local technical colleges. Although most have been cancelled due to funding. So not a Burnham initiative. There is also a lot of work done, in the schools, to promote all trades, with careers fairs etc. So those who don’t want to follow the academic route have other options open to them. Apprenticeships this year were like rocking horse teeth. Business’s, unfortunately, cannot afford to take them on. The new employment law and extra NI making it not a viable option. Until we get a business friendly Government then unfortunately I think the kids who do not want to go down the academic route are continuing to be failed. Which leaves us with a huge gap in all trades. This is a shame, most youngsters I talk to would love to get an apprenticeship’s and learn on the job with hopefully larger companies funding their degree/masters/phd etc.

There is an awful snobbey around trades. There’s an interesting FB page called ‘Nightmare Customers’ and the amount of people who offer cash ‘beer money’ to qualified plumbers etc is highly insulting.
Look at how ‘white van men’ were punished for having non/Ulez compliant vehicles in London and Sadiq Khan loftily told the to take public transport instead (yeah, ladders and tools on a bus..)
(I would rather be stranded on a desert island with someone with practical skills like a brickie or plasterer than an accountant or lawyer 😂)

@LupaMoonhowl do you mean as a tip? When you said beer money, I mean?

No -actual jobs eg ‘wanted - qualified person to fit bath and basin on Sunday afternoon/will only take 20 minutes /cash beer money £30 /must have insurance and own tools /no time wasters’ 😂

My son did a mechanic apprenticeship 15 years ago, and is now happily running that same garage on a day to day basis.
He has two apprentices, both progressing, but they’ve shed a few on the way, mostly as they had no keenness to learn and especially to not understand the reason to follow protocols.
The owner says that he would expect any 16/17 year old to be largely non productive for the first year at least - but he just cannot afford to pay for that on the pay rates now.

The level of delusion!
Friends are renovating and they can barely get tradesmen at all, and those they do get might not show up, or might, or may never come back. They can pretty much name their price.
I have a very handly husband and the older I get, the more I find it his most sexy characteristic.

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I’m absolutely stunned at this!

Sorry, but handly made me laugh but I don’t really know why!

Lots like this

Gherkin budget soon. Not sure I can listen, it’s too excruciating. Soon we’ll all be told to be grateful for whatever few pence is mentioned, that will be amusing.

Pocket Money!

Talk about being insulting

This will always remind me of Emily Thornberry and her snobbery. Labour can be like that.

The DM was headlining there will be a bumper increase (paraphrased) in benefits.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16244183/Chancellor-welfare-reform-Budget-boosts-handouts-10-Millions.html